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To: Gamecock

So, when is he going to change his position on homosexuality. I’d say any day now.


23 posted on 05/24/2013 7:05:24 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude
So, when is he going to change his position on homosexuality. I’d say any day now.

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I'd say people are reading way too much into what was said. Nothing has changed.

Christ did die for ALL men. It is for ALL men to decide if wish to partake in the Grace that was so freely given.

Doing good works saves no man, it is only an expression of faith. If you do good works as an expression of faith in Christ then well and good. If you do good works because you are a nice person, well, It's hard to believe you will be punished for good works. It is not hard to believe you will be rewarded for following Christ.

Saved? Saved from what seems to be the question. Saved from eternal damnation? Saved from eternal death? Seems to me that in Adam all die, so that in Christ all are made alive. All will be resurrected. That means we will not be consigned to some world of spirits but that we will be like Christ. This is for all men. It is a gift that Christ gave us. As for residing with Christ, that I suppose is another matter.

Christ has made it clear that he has purchased those of us He calls His. He purchased us with His blood.

I don't begin to know how all of it works, I'm still working on it. I don't know but I'm pretty sure that if you try hard to follow Christ then you are His. If you don't follow Him then you are still “saved”, that is you will be resurrected, but you will not belong to Christ as His followers will. Certainly He will have power over you but you won't be with Him.

This Saved thing is the key. What does it mean. It means so many different things to so many people.

I think the Pope is simply making it clear that Christ offered His Grace to ALL people. He redeems us ALL from eternal death. Now, what happens to us after this resurrection will be different for us depending on how we lived our lives, whether or not we choose to follow Christ. Those that did in this life follow Christ will be a joint heir with Christ and inherit everything His Father has, which is of course everything. Being an Heir with Christ sounds like a good thing. Being Dammed, not so good.

I don't think the Pope has said anything new or groundbreaking, people are just not understand what he is saying.

55 posted on 05/24/2013 8:27:50 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: fwdude
So, when is he going to change his position on homosexuality.

GOD has said....


Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 
 
 
 

59 posted on 05/24/2013 9:08:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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