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Posted on 05/12/2013 5:55:26 PM PDT by narses
Full Question
Until recently, I always thought Catholics worshiped on the Sabbath, and that the early Church moved the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true? Answer
This is a common misunderstanding. Catholics do not worship on the Sabbath, which according to Jewish law is the last day of the week (Saturday), when God rested from all the work he had done in creation (Gen. 2:2-3). Catholics worship on the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week (Sunday, the eighth day); the day when God said "Let there be light" (Gen. 1:3); the day when Christ rose from the dead; the day when the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles (Day of Pentecost). The Catechism of the Catholic Church says: "The Church celebrates the day of Christ’s Resurrection on the ‘eighth day,’ Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord’s Day" (CCC 2191).
The early Church did not move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Instead "The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday, which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ" (CCC 2190). Sunday is the day Catholics are bound to keep, not Saturday.
We see evidence of this in Scripture:
On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread, Paul spoke to them because he was going to leave on the next day, and he kept on speaking until midnight (Acts 20:7). On the first day of the week each of you should set aside and save whatever one can afford, so that collections will not be going on when I come (1 Cor. 16:2). Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or Sabbath (Col. 2:16). The Catechism also says:
By a tradition handed down from the apostles which took its origin from the very day of Christ’s Resurrection, the Church celebrates the Paschal mystery every seventh day, which day is appropriately called the Lord’s Day or Sunday. The day of Christ’s Resurrection is both the first day of the week, the memorial of the first day of creation, and the "eighth day," on which Christ after his "rest" on the great Sabbath inaugurates the "day that the Lord has made," the "day that knows no evening." (CCC 1166)
Other CCC references to the Lord’s Day: 349, 2174, 2175, 2191
Answered by: Peggy Frye
I have no idea of what you're talking about....and I wondered if it would be pointless to ask you a direct question about Passover/Unleavened Bread.
You have confirmed my suspicions. You don't know the answer to the question.
I believe it. THIS is what I am talking about.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Now, they were traveling so it was not a Sabbath, but the day after. Now, if Sunday was the third day, what was the day before? Sabbath, the second day. And the day before that, fRIDAY the FIRST day.
That means the Crucifixion had to take place on Friday the first day. Then Sabbath, the second day, then the road to Emmaus, the THIRD DAY.
Just answer one question. Are you aware that the Feast of Unleavened Bread (the 15th) takes place on the full moon of Nisan and follows the Passover (the 14th), the previous day?
When you give me your answer to this simple request for clarification....we'll continue.
Well I guess we will agree not to continue, but the third day was still Sunday.
Could you please cite the Scripture that instructs the moon having anything to do with the date of the Feast/Passover? It is the 'spring equinox' that marks the beginning of the month. The moon is just not reliable, whereas the spring equinox is.
You are correct. The Vernal equinox is the Turn of the Year when the days become longer than the nights....and continue to the Summer Solstice. The scriptures tell us that the lights in the heavens are for signs and seasons....for days and years [Genesis 1:14]. The Hebrew word for sign is owth (Strong's #226) and it means; a flag, a beacon, a monument....evidence. Something that is obviously seen.
The word for Seasons mow'ed (Strong's #4150) and it means; an appointment, a fixed time especially... a Festival.
It is therefore very understandable that the Sun (Equinox) and the Moon phases (Months) are the determining factors in Yahweh's calendar. One other condition given....is the condition of the barley which is planted in the fall.
[Exodus 12:2] This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
When Yahweh gave this information to the Israelites He told them that this would be the first month in the year. He didn't tell them it was the beginning of the year because the Equinox and the New Moon do not coincide very often (only about 5 times a year). Coincidentally...the new moon conjunction of Nisan and the Equinox in 30 A.D. happened on the same day, March 23 (Nisan 1). It was a Thursday. The actual beginning month of the year is the first new moon after the Vernal Equinox. Since in 30 A.D. they occurred jointly.... that was the beginning of that year and the beginning of the first month of that year.
Some folks say it's the new moon closest to the Vernal Equinox....but stop and think. If a new moon occurred 6 days before the Equinox it would be occurring in the previous year....and this often will happen under the Jewish Calendar put together by Hillel II in the 4th century A.D. Yahweh says to look at the lights in the heavens and not calculate it like the Jews have done.
There is indeed a beginning (and an ending) to Yahweh's holy calendar:
[Deuteronomy 11:12] A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year.
He has chosen to begin His year in the spring when life begins to manifest itself after the dead of winter. It is the observance of the Vernal Equinox that tells us when winter has now become spring and the days are now longer than the nights.....and the first new moon after this event tells us when the first month begins.
The Vernal Equinox, however.... does not determine the mow'eds....the appointed times. It is the new moon which does this. The sun (the Equinox) determines the year. The Moon (the month) determines the days. The scripture tell us that the law shall go forth from Jerusalem [Isaiah 2:3][Micah 4:2] so the years, the months and the days are determined from visible sighting of the lights in the heavens from Israel (Jerusalem) and this is also what guides the planting and the harvesting times.
Now the green ears of barley is the third thing we are told to watch for in determining the season and the wave sheaf offering from the first harvest of the year. Barley ripens much earlier than wheat [Exodus 9:31] although they are both planted in the fall.
[Exodus 23:15]Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty) (Abib is the same month as is Nisan)
[Leviticus 2:14]And if thou offer a meat offering of thy firstfruits unto the LORD, thou shalt offer for the meat offering of thy firstfruits green ears of corn dried by the fire, even corn beaten out of full ears.
Passover occurs on the 14th day of Nisan [Leviticus 23:5] and the Feast....the next day [Leviticus 23:6]. The green barley is beaten out of the full ears indicating a fully ripened grain that is then winnowed. You read quite a bit about that in the Book of Ruth [1:22; 2:2-3; 2:17; 2:23; 3:2; 3:15-17]. The reason corn is mentioned as the grain in the above paragraphs is the fact the Israelites did not observe Passover in the desert after the "Golden Calf" incident [Exodus 32] and the additional "National" disobedience in not entering the Promised Land on schedule [Numbers 14]. They were then condemned to spend forty years before they could again celebrate the Passover.
When Joshua took them over Jordan they again celebrated the Passover after the wave offering.....but it was Canaanite corn as they, of course did not have their own crops to harvest [Joshua 5:10-12].
So....these three things determine the Yearly Feasts. They begin after the Equinox in the spring (easily determined by a simple sundial) and then the first new moon after that with the Passover (the 14th day) determining the schedule for the rest of the year....but only if the barley is ripe and the green ears are winnowed.
In the fifth paragraph that should read.....five times a century....not five times a year (when the Equinox and the New moon occur simultaneously).
Yes on Genesis 1:14. But the moon phases are not relevant to the counting from the ‘Vernal equinox’ 14 days. Now I think it is curious that conception took place at the winter solstice, birth took place near the time of the autumn equinox, crucifixion took place near the spring equinox... but what event took place near the summer solstice? This is not a trick question because I do not know.
Or Klingon or Reformed Egyptian.
We just do NOT 'know' what the ORIGINALS were written in - period.
What we HAVE as evidence are bits and pieces of the NT Scriptures - some much larger than others - and they are in GREEK.
true: with ISRAEL.
King James Version (KJV)
3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Yup; these Isaiah verses worked quite well: until JESUS was born.
They ALL did!
And, it appears they were WRITTEN to a HEBREW audience; LAWKEEPERS (although poorly) all!
Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
“Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant I will make with them
Where does it ever say to begin the count to Passover from the Equinox (turn of the year)?
It says this: [Exodus 12:6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Most of the time the Equinox and the new moon of Nisan/Abib do not occur together.......so this passage is telling the Israelites to count 14 days from the beginning of the "moon" (Month).
Moon/yrach (Strong's #3393)a month:--month.
[Ezra 6:15] And this house was finished on the third day of the month (moon/yrach) Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king.
Now I think it is curious that conception took place at the winter solstice, birth took place near the time of the autumn equinox, crucifixion took place near the spring equinox... but what event took place near the summer solstice? This is not a trick question because I do not know.
You're correct again. The Equinoxes (Vernal and Autumnal) begin and end the Hebrew "Festival year"....but I'm not sure the Solstice has any thing to do with Yahweh's calendar. The only thing biblical I can think of occurring about then would be conception of John the Baptist:
[Luke 1:23-25]And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house. And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying, Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.
[Luke 1:26-38]And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
Ruy, too bad neither you nor i were present when our friend read Luke 13:31-33 for the first time and saw how Jesus counted days. applying Luke 13 to his novel Wednesday crucifixion theory, he would see for the first time:
wed - day one
thurs - tomorrow
friday - third day
but to the cultist, attacking the Apostolic Faith is more important than arriving at truth.
sad, but true.
OK :-) Go in peace
Shhhh
The wife will get out her honey-do-list!
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