Posted on 03/11/2013 11:33:25 AM PDT by xzins
First, let me acknowledge that I'm an outsider, that I don't have a vote, that it can easily be argued that outsider opinions simply don't matter, and that I don't even begin to approach any kind of expert knowledge regarding the Roman Catholic Church.
I am an ordained Methodist Elder with 33 years of experience under my belt. I have completed a career as a military chaplain with the US Army, and that gives me working experience with Catholic chaplains in which we all operated as a team supporting one another and helping one another. It was a willing cooperation, and the camaraderie was real, blessed, and cherished by me. This also applies to all of the other denominational chaplains with whom I worked. I learned so much from them, and the times and the missions are precious memories to me.
That is what qualifies me, I think, to at least state what I'd like to see in the next Pope.
I want a true believer in real Christian Unity. I understand theologians will get in on the discussion now to dissect "Christian Unity", but I'm speaking of reality. What is reality? Reality teaches us that there are a host of denominations all professing an historic, Trinitarian, real faith in the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ.
My experience as a military chaplain with other Christians has affected my own understanding of Jesus' words in John 17: "22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one 23 I in them and you in meso that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
I cannot escape that Jesus is saying that when the world sees the unity of Christians it will know that He was sent by the Father, and that the Father loves both the Son and the followers of the Son. This is seen so clearly in the reverse: when they see discord, disunity, disarray, then it easy for the world to dismiss us, the Father, and the Son. They say, "Those people are always fighting each other; who wants to be a part of that?"
I so admire the unbroken history of the Roman Church. In itself it is a testimony of unity, and that unity is one of the evangelism strengths of the Catholic Church. I admire so many of the historic figures of Catholicism, I admire Catholicism's insistence on life and on the natural family, and I must admit that I admire many current Catholics. Not to dismiss the great names, but these would all be people whose paths have crossed mine: family, friends, and colleagues.
So, Father Dick, Father Jim, and Father George, I remember deployments, coordinated services, shared times, conferences and simply going out for dinner with the family. We weren't exactly the same, but we had a unity of effort and of friendship that, in Christ, left me with memories that shall not fade and left others with the impression that we were on the same team.
Christian Unity: We lift our prayer to the Lord.
I’m not a gambling person, but I’d bet my lunch money that the Pope has a dozen Bibles in 4 or 5 languages within arm’s reach of his most comfortable chair, and uses all of them.
That's indicated by approaching the Priest with arms crosses across the chest. Then the priest knows to give the blessing. At least that's how it's done in my Diocese during Catholic Wedding and Funeral Masses.
I don't think it's just a matter of "understanding." Who can understand such things? When Christ says "This is My Body," ho can we properly say anything except "Amen"?
We have a special Mass once a monh for the residents and caregivers of a home for people with multiple disabilities, including --- what do they call it now? -- "global cognitive deficits". I dons't think any of them could pronounce, let alone understand, "Transubstantiation," but they can receive if they grasp that this is not bread, that Jesus Himself wants to live in them.
I hope the day comes when all this can be made right.
Pray for me, if I may ask; and I'll pray for you and your son.
The Reverend James Bradley's sermon from Sunday. My son heard it and we all thought it was beautiful. In fact, at the very end, I had tears in my eyes.
Sometimes we forget what it is all about. I walked into the Church off the street at 42. It was how they responded that let me know I was at home.
I hope you and your family find or have found your home....
One of our kids had the same experience, but I don't fault the priest, who was merely attempting to properly discharge his duty. It was our fault for not correctly instructing our son.
Our kids have been raised Catholic from birth, but our younger kids are only familiar with with Tridentine rite. We attended a Novus Ordo Mass shortly after one of our kids made First Holy Communion and forgot to explain to him how to receive Holy Communion according to the Novus Ordo rite. Between his lack of familiarity with the proper approach and the fact that he's a lefty and was switching his hands back and forth, the priest became alarmed and quite rightly questioned him.
Since the Catholic and the Episcopal faiths are not interchangeable, it doesn't seem reasonable or fair to expect the Catholic Church to ignore the doctrinal differences and to casually distribute the Holy Eucharist to those who don't accept the Catholic belief in the Real Presence.
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Re: Can Episcopalians Receive Communion?
No--Anglicans may not receive the Eucharist in a Catholic Church--no matter how "high church" they may happen to be. The Anglican communion does not have a consistent, universal teaching regarding the real presence--nor does it have valid orders.
Eastern Orthodox Churches are another matter. They do have valid orders and a consistent belief in the real presence. Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.
Would that inspire you to buy one?
Thank you for this post.
I expect that the next pope will place a very high value on unity among the churches. However, with the radical left tilt to mainstream protestantism’s leaders despite chasing after them so hard for the last 40 years, the next popes will quite likely turn their emphasis to the Eastern churches. This might have some significant appeal to Anglicans and even several particular Lutheran churches (Church of Finland, for instance), but I expect it might feel to many Westerners, whether mainstream of evangelical, that the Catholic church is turning away from them.
Ecclesiastical Authority continuum:
<-———Evangelical———High Church Protestant———Orthodox-———Catholic-———>
BUT:
Liturgical style:
<————Evangelical-——High Church Protestant——Catholic———High Church Anglican-———Orthodox-——>
Theology:
<————Protestant-———High Church Anglican————Catholic———Orthodox——>
Culture:
<————Protestant-———High Church Protestant————Catholic———Orthodox——>
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“The Anglican communion does not have a consistent, universal teaching regarding the real presence—nor does it have valid orders. “
See my post subsequent to the one you replied to.
Read the words of our priest and tell me again how we are not taught about the”real presence”.
Very beautiful. Amen.
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Catholics don’t give a hoot what anyone else wants. The Catholic Church is DOGMA. Get over it.
It is nice of you to read the first paragraph of this article and to comment on it. Thank you.
Communion in the Episcopal Church is far different that in the Catholic Church. If you we’re well catechized you would know the difference and would act accordingly.
“Oliver was 7 when the Catholic priest took the host from him in church. I went to the Catholic church because I was raised Catholic but our Episcopal church had no service that day.”
It is unfortunate that your son was put in a position for that to have happened to him. While I commend you for seeking out a religious service with your children, your convenience is not really a good reason to disrespect the rules of Catholicism.
Since you were “raised Catholic” and have familiarity with Catholicism, it might have been better for you to have explained to your son that when we visit the services of another Christian denomination, we abide by THEIR rules out of respect for them.
When we attended a wedding in an Episcopalian church, I explained in advance to my children that, despite the similarities between their service and our own, we, as Catholics are not allowed to receive communion in a Protestant service, but should otherwise behave with reverence and respect.
It was a beautiful wedding, consecrated by God, even if WE did not receive communion.
CARITAS IN VERITATE
Charity (and some degree of unity) requires mutual understanding and respect for one another's beliefs and traditions. The truth is that it's not possible (whether we like it or not) for the Church to ignore the doctrinal differences that exist at this point, nor the lack of valid orders.
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"In my recent article entitled Pope announces procedure for Anglicans to enter into full communion with the Catholic Church, I made mention at the end that one stumbling block for Anglicans is the Roman Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. I was reminded by a reader that, most Anglicans including Episcopalians believe in the 'real presence' of Christ in the Holy Eucharist but they do not call it transubstantion.
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"...Therefore, Roman Catholic doctrine regarding the Holy Eucharist is substantially different from other Christian viewpoints. Some Lutherans believe in consubstantiation, while others reject it in favor of Luther's sacramental union."
Catholics are most certainly your neighbors. It would be wrong to bear false witness against them. There's a commandment about that.
well, in terms of can your opinion elect the next pope, yes, they don't matter. Neither do mine either, or even the Cardinals to some extent. They have to bear in mind each time they vote that they are controlled by the Holy Spirit
a unity of effort and of friendship that, in Christ, -- on that I heartily agree.
With various non-Catholic denominations it varies.
we are closest to those who acknowledge the True presence of Christ in the Eucharist like the Lutherans and to some/more extent with Anglicans and Methodists. At the other extreme, there are groups with next to nothing in common with orthodoxy -- with those we should be united on common purposes like anti-baby killing etc., and be content to agree to disagree.
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