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To: GeronL
I have not found anything in the Bible or teachings of Jesus that there is “one true Church”, if so they would have named it. There is also nothing in the Bible that gives one or some human beings more religious authority than others.

Christianity did not end with the Crucufixation...in fact it actually began then....The "one true church" was indeed mentioned....."upon this Rock I will build My church"

and your concept of a "saint" is flawed....anyone who dies in the grace of God is a saint....you and I can be saints.....we will probably not be recognized by the church, but we will be saints nevertheless. Tha "named" saints are merely those whose lives have been outstanding enough to convince the church that they are in Heaven. It takes a little doing, nomination, a miracle or two attributed to you, and a life history justifying your canonization. Now, if the church declares that you have met these requirements....why would it not be proper to ask St, Peter, St paul et.al. to pray for us....they are in heaven and maybe they can help us!!!!

75 posted on 02/22/2013 7:54:20 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl
why would it not be proper to ask St, Peter, St paul et.al. to pray for us.

There is a good reason to NOT do that. That was not the example of how Jesus taught the disciples to pray. Ever hear "Our Father who art in Heaven . . "? Jesus is our Example. We pray to God and nobody else. So when God asks you at the Judgement "You prayed to who???" You won't be ashamed.

80 posted on 02/22/2013 8:03:21 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: terycarl

“Tha “named” saints are merely those whose lives have been outstanding enough to convince the church that they are in Heaven. It takes a little doing, nomination, a miracle or two attributed to you, and a life history justifying your canonization. Now, if the church declares that you have met these requirements....why would it not be proper to ask St, Peter, St paul et.al. to pray for us....they are in heaven and maybe they can help us!!!!”

The problem is that we don’t know they are in heaven simply because the Catholic church declares it. Christ knows who is in heaven with a certainty, but the living don’t. The fact that Catholic church does has a qualification process demonstrates that Jesus is not communicating to them who is and who is not in heaven, otherwise they wouldn’t have to rely on such earthly means.

So, they make an educated guess, and tell you it is enough for you to risk engaging in spiritualism. The Bible, on the other hand, tells us not to go anywhere near such practices, and to simply pray to God.


120 posted on 02/22/2013 9:33:14 PM PST by Boogieman
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