[terycarl]

As to your new truth claim about the Catholic Church being infallible, I will only say that history contradicts your claim in a legion of ways. Can you provide validation for your claim? Evidence? Facts?

it is of course, impossible to prove that the teachings of the church, from the Chair of Peter, thus infallible, are indeed infallible. If you do not agree that EVERY "INFALLIBLE" teaching of the church was true, point them out and explain why they are in error.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

” it is of course, impossible to prove that the teachings of the church, from the Chair of Peter, thus infallible, are indeed infallible. If you do not agree that EVERY “INFALLIBLE” teaching of the church was true, point them out and explain why they are in error.”

Let’s start with your truth claim - that the Catholic Church is infallible. It is not up to me to disprove your claims. It is up to you to demonstrate that they are reasonable claims. That a reasonable person can look at the facts, logic or evidence and conclude your claim is likely true.

Do you have any facts, evidence, logic, etc. that might buttress your claim of truth?

I know of zero to support your claim. Clearly, if you have more than just an opinion, it should be shared.

If on the other hand, your opinion is simply your personal belief, apart from facts, logic or evidence, just say so. That isn’t a very high standard, but I’m open to hearing whatever you have to offer.

Perhaps you can start with a low bar proof... is there anything the Church is infallible about that is not revealed in the Bible, or in Apostles’ tradition (provable via evidence in the first 100 years of practice)? Do you have any way to prove that this was infallible?

I believe you are in a real quandary here. Ultimately, it appears your truth claim is that you simply believe the Church is infallible - apart from any way to know if your opinion is valid. If so, fine. Many people use that standard to believe all kinds of things from Bigfoot to mormonism.

However, this will have a bearing on your earlier claims.

[metmom]

First, what defines an infallible teaching of the church?

The Catechism of the Catholic church?

Or the pope speaking ex cathedra?

Is it pronouncements from the Council of Trent or Vatican II?

Could you give us some examples of infallible teachings?

[Elsie]

You REALLY wanna lose MORE people?

Luther did that a few centuries ago.