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1 posted on 01/16/2013 8:57:51 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Perhaps the “pope” should read the book that his organization pretends to have supplied the world...

Both David (Psalms) & Paul (Romans) have delivered the revealed word of God to man claiming that no man really seeks Him.


2 posted on 01/16/2013 9:03:51 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: marshmallow

I can see the non-believers having conniption fits over this one. Should I get some popcorn?


3 posted on 01/16/2013 9:29:36 AM PST by caldera599
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To: marshmallow

The Torah is correct: G-d’s Face cannot be seen. He has no human form.


5 posted on 01/16/2013 9:32:04 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: marshmallow

The title reminds me of a few jokes. Everyone wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die. and.... I don’t mind living and I won’t mind being dead - it’s the transition that I’m not looking forward to.


7 posted on 01/16/2013 9:37:09 AM PST by Veggie Todd (That's some bad hat, Harry.)
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To: marshmallow



The
Holy
Face

O Blessed Face of my kind Savior,
by the tender love
and piercing sorrow
of Our Lady as she beheld You in
Your cruel Passion,
grant us to share in this
intense sorrow and love
so as to fulfill the holy will
of God to the utmost
of our ability.

Amen.




8 posted on 01/16/2013 10:04:38 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

I would like to see an atheist standing before G-d telling Him why he didn’t believe in Him. It would be sad of course to see all those that didn’t believe being sent from His presence forever. Imagine if it was a dearly beloved relative.


11 posted on 01/16/2013 10:08:45 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: marshmallow

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13 posted on 01/16/2013 10:12:04 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
“”Something, however, new happens - he continued -with the Incarnation. The search for the face of God receives an incredible sea change, because we can now see this face: it is that of Jesus, the Son of God who became man”.

So who is being seen? Son or Father? The old boy's windy and self contradictory efforts to sound profound mean nothing.

19 posted on 01/16/2013 12:15:51 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: marshmallow
That is not true. If men wanted to see God, they would choose Him here and now. The fact that they reject Him shows that they do NOT want to meet Him.

Revelation 6:15-17 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

21 posted on 01/16/2013 12:35:46 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: marshmallow
God is everywhere, we just need the eyes to see. Everything is God - it cannot be otherwise. That's what "infinite" means. People who don't grasp this are like people who look at all of the jewelry in a store and classify it by it's shape and purpose and design, rather than the single fact that it's all made out of gold. God is like the gold. God is what Creation is made out of - it can't be otherwise. before Creation, there was only God. So Creation was made "out of" God. Creation is God "being" Creation.

Jesus could look straight at that and see God in everything, and everyone, everywhere. For Jesus, in a sense, there was no Creation - there was just God. So looking at Jesus was "seeing God," since Jesus recognized no difference betweeen Himself and God.

In a sense, therefore, all spirituality is to regain that vision of God. On the other hand, that visionis not seen with physical eyes, and these words are merely metaphor for an experience so profound that the former person ceases to exist who has it, and a new person is born from the vision. Nevertheless, while we change through our perception of God, God does not change through our perception of God. And neither does God's infinity change due to our experience of it, or our lack of experience of it.

24 posted on 01/16/2013 2:22:14 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: marshmallow
Vultus Christi

Benedict XVI: The Pope of the Face of God

 on January 16, 2013 4:53 PM |

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Here is the text of the Holy Father's General Audience of Wednesday, 16 January 2013. Again, he speaks to us of the Face of God. As the pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI unfolds, it becomes more and radiant in the splendour of the Divine Countenance.

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

God Makes Himself Known

The Second Vatican Council, in its Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation Dei Verbum, says that the intimate truth of the revelation of God shines for us "in Christ, who is both the mediator and the fullness of all revelation"(no. 2). The Old Testament tells us how God, after the creation, despite original sin, despite man's arrogance in wanting to take the place of his Creator, again offers the possibility of his friendship, especially through the covenant with Abraham and the journey of a small nation, that of Israel, whom he chooses not according to the criteria of earthly power, but simply out of love. It is a choice that remains a mystery and reveals God's style, who calls some not to exclude others, but so that those called will act as bridge leading to Him: election is always an election for the other. In the history of the people of Israel we can retrace the stages of a long journey in which God makes himself known, reveals himself, enters into history with words and actions. For this work He uses mediators, such as Moses, the Prophets, the Judges, who communicate his will to the people, they remind them of the need for fidelity to the covenant and keep alive the expectation of the full and definitive realization of the divine promises.

Jesus Reveals to us the Face of God

And it is precisely the fulfillment of these promises that we contemplated in Christmas: God's revelation reaches its peak, its fullness. In Jesus of Nazareth, God truly visits his people, he visits humanity in a way that exceeds all expectation: he sends his only begotten Son, who becomes man, God himself. Jesus does not simply tell us something about God, he does not simply talk about the Father, because he is God, and thus he reveals to us the face of God. In the Prologue of his Gospel, John writes: "No one has ever seen God: it is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known" (Jn 1:18).

God Has Shown His Face

I want to focus on this "revealing the face of God." In this regard, St. John, in his Gospel, relates to us a significant fact. Approaching the passion, Jesus reassures his disciples, inviting them not to be afraid and to have faith; then he initiates a dialogue with them in which he speaks of God the Father (cf. Jn 14:2-9). At one point, the apostle Philip asks Jesus, "Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied" (Jn 14:8). Philip is very practical and concrete: he says what we, too, want to say: "we want to see, show us the Father"; he asks to "see" the Father, to see his face. Jesus' answer is an answer not only for Philip, but also for us and leads us into the heart of the Christological faith of the Church; the Lord affirms: "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father" (Jn 14:9). This expression contains a synthesis of the novelty of the New Testament, that novelty that appeared in the cave of Bethlehem: God can be seen, he has shown his face, he is visible in Jesus Christ.

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God Turns His Face to Us

Throughout the Old Testament the theme of "seeking the face of God" is ever present, so that the Hebrew term panîm, which means "face", occurs no less than 400 times, 100 of which refer to God, it means to see the face of God. Yet the Jewish religion, by forbidding all images, since God cannot be depicted - as instead occurred among their neighbors with the worship of idols; therefore, with this prohibition of imagery, the Old Testament seems to totally exclude "seeing" from worship and piety. What does it mean then, for the pious Israelite, to seek the face of God, while recognizing that there can be no image of Him? The question is important: on the one hand, it is said that God cannot be reduced to an object, to a simple image, nor can anything be put in the place of God; on the other, however, it is affirmed that He has a face, that is, He is a "You" that can enter into a relationship, who isn't closed in his Heavens looking down upon humanity. God is certainly above all things, but he turns to us, hears us, sees and speaks, makes covenants, is capable of love. The history of salvation is history of God with humanity, it is the history of this relationship of God who progressively reveals himself to man, letting him see his face.

The Splendor of the Divine Face is the Source of Life

Right at the beginning of the year, on January 1, we heard in the liturgy the beautiful prayer of blessing over the people: "The Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. The Lord turn his face to you and give you peace" (Num. 6:24-26). The splendor of the divine face is the source of life, it is what allows us to see reality, and the light of his countenance is the guide to life. In the Old Testament there is a figure connected in a very special way to the theme of the "face of God": Moses, whom God chose to free the people from slavery in Egypt, to give them the Law of the covenant and to lead them to the Promised Land. Well, in chapter 33 of the Book of Exodus, it says that Moses had a close and confidential relationship with God: "The Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as one speaks with his friend" (v. 11). By virtue of this confidence, Moses asks God: "Show me your glory," and the Lord's answer is clear: "I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim before you the name ... But you cannot see my face, for no one shall see me and live ... Here is a place near me ... you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen "(vv. 18-23). On the one hand, then, there is the face to face dialogue as among friends, but on the other, there is the impossibility, in this life, of seeing the face of God, which remains hidden; the vision is limited. The Fathers say that these words, "you shall only see my back", mean: you can only follow Christ and in following you see from behind the mystery of God;God can be followed seeing his back.

The Face and Name of God

Something new happens, however, with the incarnation. The search for the face of God undergoes an unthinkable change, because now this face can be seen: that of Jesus, the Son of God who became man. In Him the path of God's revelation finds fulfillment, which began with the call of Abraham; He is the fullness of this revelation because he is the Son of God, he is both "the mediator and fullness of all revelation" (Dogmatic Constitution Dei Verbum, 2), and in Him the content of Revelation and the Revealer coincide. Jesus shows us the face of God and makes known to us the name of God. In the priestly prayer at the Last Supper, He says to the Father: "I have made your name known to those whom you gave me from the world ... I made your name known to them" (cf. Jn 17:6,26). The expression "name of God" means God as He who is present among men. To Moses at the burning bush, God had revealed his name, had made it possible to invoke him, had given a concrete sign of his "existence" among men. All this finds fulfillment and completeness in Jesus: He inaugurates a new way of God's presence in history, because he who sees Him, sees the Father, as he says to Philip (cf. Jn 14:9). Christianity - says Saint Bernard - is the "religion of the Word of God"; not, however, "a written and mute word, but of the incarnate and living Word" (Hom. super Missus Est, IV, 11: PL 183, 86B). In the Patristic and Medieval traditions, a special formula is used to express this reality: Jesus is the Verbum abbreviatum (cf. Rom 9:28, referring to Isaiah 10:23), he is the short, abbreviated and substantial Word of the Father, who has told us everything about Him. In Jesus the whole Word is present.

Jesus the Mediator

In Jesus even the mediation between God and man finds its fullness. In the Old Testament, there is a host of figures who have performed this task, particularly Moses, the deliverer, the guide, the "mediator" of the covenant, as also the New Testament defines him (cf. Gal 3:19; Acts 7:35, Jn 1:17). Jesus, true God and true man, is not simply one of the mediators between God and man, he is "the mediator" of the new and everlasting covenant (cf. Heb 8:6; 9:15, 12:24); "For there is one God", Paul says, "and one mediator between God and humankind, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Tim 2:5, Gal 3:19-20). In Him we see and meet the Father; in Him we can invoke God as "Abbà, Father"; in Him we are given salvation.

See the Face of God in the Face of Christ

The desire to know God truly, that is, to see the face of God, is in every man, even atheists. And we perhaps unwittingly have this desire to see simply who He is, what He is, who He is for us. But this desire is realized by following Christ, so we see his back and finally also see God as a friend, his face in the face of Christ.

The Eucharist is the Great School in Which We Learn to See the Face of God

The important thing is that we follow Christ not only when we are in need and when we find space for it in our daily affairs, but with our lives as such.The whole of life should be directed towards encountering Him, towards loving Him; and, in it, a central place must also be given to the love of one's neighbor, that love that, in the light of the Crucified One, enables us to recognize the face of Jesus in the poor, the weak, the suffering. This is only possible if the true face of Jesus has become familiar to us in listening to His Word, in interior dialogue, in entering into this Word in such a way as to really encounter him,and naturally in the Mystery of the Eucharist. In the Gospel of St. Luke there is the significant passage of the two disciples of Emmaus, who recognize Jesus in the breaking of the bread, thought after being prepared by the journey with Him, prepared by the invitation they made Him to remain with them, prepared by the dialogue that made their hearts burn; so, in the end, they see Jesus.For us, too, the Eucharist is the great school in which we learn to see the face of God, we enter into an intimate relationship with Him, and we learn at the same time to turn our gaze towards the final moment of history, when He will satisfy us with the light of his face. On earth we walk towards this fullness, awaiting the fulfillment of the Kingdom of God. Thank you.

[Zenit Translation by Peter Waymel]


29 posted on 01/16/2013 9:57:56 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

The Pope is senile!


830 posted on 02/03/2013 3:08:05 PM PST by dalereed
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To: marshmallow

Following this thread shows the disunity of solo Scripture.

Thanks for posting the thread to bring this into the light.


843 posted on 02/03/2013 5:30:59 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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Gotta get some face time with God....

What percentage of our thoughts do not involve mental imagery?


1,214 posted on 02/07/2013 2:06:16 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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