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To: Cronos
Quite incorrect. if you read in the Bible, starting from John 6:30, we read

Too bad you've chosen to start HERE; instead of 2 verses back...

 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


2,566 posted on 01/21/2013 9:50:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Isn't it funny how when Catholic quote out of John 6 to support the flesh and blood theology and expect people to take it literally, they don't take it ALL literally?

Like these verses?

John 6:35-36 35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.

Looks like Jesus is saying he's made out of bread. Why isn't that taken literally?

John 37-39 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

Jesus promises that we wouldn't lose our salvation here. Why don't they take that literally?

40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Oh, look at that. Salvation through faith. Ought we not to take that literally?

John 6:47-51 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

Again Jesus is saying He's bread. Taken literally, that means He is made out of bread dough.

And He promises that those who eat will never die. That should be taken literally, physically as well. And yet I don't think I've ever met anyone whose body hasn't died. If we're going to take Jesus' words literally, that should mean never die, just like Jesus said.

John 6:53-58 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”

So taking communion should be a one time only deal and our physical bodies will never die. Right?

John 6:63 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.”

And here Jesus says that the words He has spoken are spirit and life, the FLESH is no help at all, and yet Catholicism teaches it's all about the flesh. They are teaching something contradictory to what Jesus Himself is recorded in Scripture as saying.

Let me guess who I'm going to believe.

John 6:67-69 67 So Jesus said to the Twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”

2,567 posted on 01/21/2013 10:30:47 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Elsie
“What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

Interesting, so you then believe that works are needed?

your position's problem is that you are limiting God

What does Jesus say saves us?


Jesus says that if you endure to the end you get salvation, that if you helped your fellow man you inherit the kingdom of God (you get salvation) --> note these are HIS own words


2,583 posted on 01/21/2013 9:39:15 PM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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