11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[CynicalBear]

Well, perhaps you could help by showing where I would be wrong in saying that the RCC is in contradiction to scripture. For instance, you could once and for all show us where in scripture the teaching of the assumption of Mary is taught. That would certainly be a start wouldn’t it?

[Cronos]

Have I the tenses wrong?

Yes, you used past perfect instead of past continuous

Just as the 16th century guy wrote

“So we stand here and with open mouth stare heavenward and invent still other keys. Yet Christ says very clearly in Matt 16:19 that he will give the keys to Peter. He does not say he has two kinds of keys, but he gives to Peter the keys he himself has and no others. It is as if he [Christ] were saying:’ why are you staring heavenward in search of the keys? Do you not understand I gave them to Peter? They are indeed the keys of heaven, but they are not found in heaven. I left them on earth. Don’t look for them in heaven or anywhere else except in Peter’s mouth where I have placed them. Peter’s mouth is my mouth, and his tongue is my key case. His office is my office, his binding and loosing are my binding and loosing’ ”

[Cronos]

Just as Martin Luther wrote, on the authority of scripture (sola scriptura)....

“So we stand here and with open mouth stare heavenward and invent still other keys. Yet Christ says very clearly in Matt 16:19 that he will give the keys to Peter. He does not say he has two kinds of keys, but he gives to Peter the keys he himself has and no others. It is as if he [Christ] were saying:’ why are you staring heavenward in search of the keys? Do you not understand I gave them to Peter? They are indeed the keys of heaven, but they are not found in heaven. I left them on earth. Don’t look for them in heaven or anywhere else except in Peter’s mouth where I have placed them. Peter’s mouth is my mouth, and his tongue is my key case. His office is my office, his binding and loosing are my binding and loosing’ ”

[CynicalBear]

>> recheck your facts...the protestants killed more "witches" in Europe and the U.S. than the inquisition ever thought of!!!! Nice bunch you have there<<

And just where did you get the idea that I associated myself with any religious organization that did any of those things? It certainly couldn’t have been from any posting that I have ever made.

[Cronos]

As I said -- the Mormons took the theory of the Great Apostasy from the 5th generation of reformatters -- who said said that there was a great Apostasy in the first centuries of Christendom (Gen 1-3 took later centuries as the dates of their "Great Apostasy")

So, just as generation 1-3 of the reformatter said that the "Great Apostasy" arose in the 12th or 16th century, the Baptists pushed it back to the 4th century and the Mormons pushed it back to the Apostles

And now your post above edits the Bible, so I guess the Elsionians push the Great Apostasy to Christ Himself, eh?

[CynicalBear]

Never happened ey? Then I will give you the same challenge. Show from scripture where the RCC gets the concept of the assumption of Mary.

[CynicalBear]

>> who brought them down 1,600 years so you could refer to them,<<

God did, through many means.

[CynicalBear]

It’s also interesting that Catholics like to lump all non Catholics into one mind set. I suppose it’s because they have been taught that it’s belonging to an organization that merits salvation?

[Cronos]

Elsie: 'Moo believe in reading?'

[CynicalBear]

Only the Catholics try to make presbuteros into priest. It’s the smoke and mirrors approach using Samaritan religious principles.

[Cronos]

it's rather funny for a johnny-come-lately to come along 2000 years later and thing he/she knows something that contradicts 2000 years. yeah, right....

very "progressive" of ya!

"like to lump all ninto one mind set." -- yup, lots of differences -- some believe in the Gap theory as you do, others think it is bonkers etc.

[Cronos]

Nah, it's only the idiots who take the modern meaning in Modern English and use it to reference a translation of presbuteros into priest and twist it to being a translation from hierus

here's something from www.dictionary.com for ya

Origin: before 900; Middle English prest ( e ), priest, Old English prēost, ultimately < Late Latin presbyter presbyter

[imardmd1]

**your apparent intentions.** You believe in mind-reading? Though you are wrong btw

RM -- remember the rules

I do, and that is why I used the modifier apparent. I surmised that your intent was revealed in your sentence:

What's given and protected by the Holy Spirit is hardly flawed

which seemed clearly to refer to the doctrine of catholicity, from which I construct that your intent was to assume that The Holy Ghost gave such a doctrine, thence from it to prove something else. Tell me that I missed something here.

Respectfully --

[wesagain]

Great stuff (daniel11212) - you saved me a lot of time refuting some of the Peter stuff, thanks

Just an aside to some who have given too much reverence to "Saint" Peter. I believe the veneration of Peter is misguided. As the "Rock" his seminole declaration of Jesus; "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God," was the point of eternal salvation and the "foundation stone" was this declaration, not the elevation of Peter over any other saint.

The whole thing gets off on the wrong foot without this understanding, and therein a diminuation of the reality of Grace and the expanse of anti-semitism evidenced from the beginning of the Catholic church. JMHO

[Cronos]

Nah, it's only the idiots who take the modern meaning in Modern English and use it to reference a translation of presbuteros into priest and twist it to being a translation from hierus

here's something from www.dictionary.com for ya

Origin: before 900; Middle English prest ( e ), priest, Old English prēost, ultimately < Late Latin presbyter presbyter

And from the Oxford dictionary: Old English prēost, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch priester, German Priester, based on ecclesiastical Latin presbyter 'elder' (see presbyter)

[Cronos]

Nah, it's only the idiots who take the modern meaning in Modern English and use it to reference a translation of presbuteros into priest and twist it to being a translation from hierus

here's something from www.dictionary.com for ya

Origin: before 900; Middle English prest ( e ), priest, Old English prēost, ultimately < Late Latin presbyter presbyter

And from the Oxford dictionary: Old English prēost, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch priester, German Priester, based on ecclesiastical Latin presbyter 'elder' (see presbyter)

and from webster's dictionary Origin of PRIEST

Middle English preist, from Old English prēost, ultimately from Late Latin presbyter — more at presbyter First Known Use: before 12th century

So, it's not just the "Catholic Church" who says priest is derived from presbuteros -- why don't you, Cynical bear learn how wrong your beliefs are before continually talking about them?

[dartuser]

Then why does Protestantism deny the possibility of the Holy Spirit interpreting by or through the Magisterium

You presume that the Magisterium actually possess the Holy Spirit ... we Protestants do not presume that.

[Cronos]

The Holy Ghost gave such a doctrine, thence from it to prove something else. Tell me that I missed something here.

respectfully... you stated "And that is why the churches loyal to the Real Christ have existed apart from catholicity since the beginning." -- yet, this is historically inaccurate, the Real Christ as seen in orthodoxy has remained throughout

Which are these groups you state that have "always" existed apart from orthodoxy?

[wesagain]

Excellent post Elsie!

[Cronos]

Cynical bear: Only the Catholics try to make presbuteros into priest.

here's something from www.dictionary.com for ya

Origin: before 900; Middle English prest ( e ), priest, Old English prēost, ultimately < Late Latin presbyter presbyter

And from the Oxford dictionary: Old English prēost, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch priester, German Priester, based on ecclesiastical Latin presbyter 'elder' (see presbyter)

and from webster's dictionary Origin of PRIEST

Middle English preist, from Old English prēost, ultimately from Late Latin presbyter — more at presbyter First Known Use: before 12th century

So, it's not just the "Catholic Church" who says priest is derived from presbuteros -- Cynical bear, this is just one of the wrong beliefs you have about orthodoxy, yes? yes.