Skip to comments.WHY THE CHURCH OF CHRIST DOES NOT OBSERVE CHRISTMAS (Ecumenical)
Posted on 12/25/2012 1:13:09 PM PST by narses
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Lord, in this holy season of prayer and song and laughter, we praise you for the great wonders you have sent us: for shining star and angels song, for infants cry in lowly manger. We praise you for the Word made flesh in a little Child. We behold his glory, and are bathed in its radiance.
Be with us as we sing the ironies of Christmas, the incomprehensible comprehended, the poetry made hard fact, the helpless Babe who cracks the world asunder. We kneel before you shepherds, innkeepers, wisemen. Help us to rise bigger than we are. Amen.
The birth of Yashua is in your heart no matter where or when He was born. You carry His will in your heart, do good to those who persecute you and His love will abide with you always.
Interesting article. Especially after attending a Christmas Eve service at my local Church of Christ.
Well, I have always been for any excuse to have a celebration. The birth of our Lord and Savior is a pretty good one.
This kind of stick-in-the-mud-ism is exactly why we are declining in numbers and not effectively communicating the Gospel to a desperate and lost world. By hiding in your hole at Christmas, you are missing a prime opportunity to speak about the Savior.
Just speaking the truth here, brother.
“Just speaking the truth here, brother.”
Indeed you are - Merry Christmas!
What nonsense :-)
“IT IS A CATHOLIC HOLIDAY”
That is as true inasmuch as it is a Pagan Holiday. Just like Easter, this is a “holiday” comprised of Christian traditions, pagan customs, and in modern times - an emphasis on shopping and spending and buying gifts.
Our Christmas Eve service was just like yours. We sang carols, heard the scriptures regarding the birth of Christ, and reached out to many neighbors and visitors.
Merry Christmas, brother.
The Angels God sent to the Earth to tell us of the birth of Christ asked us to celebrate and be full of joy. Christ was given gifts....and I’m sure Mary and Joseph used them!
Exactly. We don’t have a Biblical mandate to celebrate our own birthdays either, but we all do that. I feel there is no wrong in celebrating the best birthday on earth - that of the Lord Jesus. I understand all that concern about it being a “catholic” holiday and it being celebrated on a day that was actually a pagan holiday. But people misunderstand that it was the catholic church’s attempt to convert a pagan holiday into one that honoured God. They were trying to replace the bad with the good. Another point is that for centuries, the “catholic” church was the church that descended from Christ’s disciples. We can banter back and forth about how wrong the Catholic church is and how wrong the Protestant churches are. For one, I don’t think that God is at all offended that we would want to celebrate Christ’s birthday - I believe He probably wishes we did so in a way that was a lot less “consumerist” and self-centered as it has become. Celebrating His birthday in a way that truly seeks to put Him first and honour Him and provide for those considered “the least of these” would truly bring Him great joy. And not only that, it would get the attention of the world who is looking for something more to this life. Right now, the world doesn’t think we truly have the answer. We have failed the world.
I have nothing against anyone who chooses not to celebrate Christ’s birthday for various reasons such as the one in this article. But I think we are missing more important, more key issues. The times are winding down to the final hour. Who knows for sure if we are the final generation, but we are certainly coming close. Our churches here in the West are exactly the Laodicean church in Revelation chapter 3. We are foolish, “pitiful, blind naked and poor” and also “neither hot nor cold” . I worry that too many of our churches and their members are going to find themselves in the group that the Lord addresses with “I never knew you” on the day of judgment. Let us focus on a genuine, purposeful effort to really know Christ personally and to make Him known for the good God that He is - because the world needs to know.
I live in the heart of Christ of Christ territory. I do N OT know of a single member or church that doesn’tât celebrate Christmas
The Church of Christ (non instrumental), Church of Christ (Christian), and Disciples of Christ (Christian) have a common origin in the Christian Church Movement of the early 1800s ~ as described in the article above. Then there's the Primitive Baptist Church, which is so similar in its basic beliefs and structure as to be indistinguishible but for the name.
After many years of membership in congregations in two of the main branches my parents went with a non instrumental church founded by people from Tennessee in Indiana. They were advised they'd need to be rebaptised.
So, they went back to the regular kind ~ the DOC ~ which actually has an open communion these days.
There are, to say the least, variations from congregtion to congregation. Then, there are common features. The desire to restore the First Century Church is one of the common elements ~ at the same time the best anybody has been able to do is a restoration to the second-century. Still, I have no doubt someone is going to find an authentic text from the time of Jesus mentioning the use of musical instruments ~ and the non-instrumentals will stick to their practice ~ which I've always thought derived more from their Moravian predecessors than careful evaluation of first century church practice ~ but that's just a personal impression.
These 3 or 4 churches arose at about the same time for the same purpose and found themselves drawing on people with prior Christian beliefs. There was no intention that they become a denomination, so if you believed in Christmas, you could do that. Just follow the order of worship and sing the right songs and just about anybody could be a member. Today the Disciples of Christ has accepted such a large body of Roman Catholics that it's not uncommon to find a perpetual novena underway among those members.
Some of the more independent congregations have incorporated purely Lutheran standards, and sometimes purely Baptist standards, into their church beliefs and practices.
Give you an idea what that is about ~ notice the statement regarding collections. They take up a general collection weekly. Baptists have special collections. I have attended Baptist services where at least three special collections, plus a general collection, were held during the service. The Baptist ideal is that every member's gift be treated to an accounting worthy of IRS. The Christian church ideal is that every member trust that their own chosen church leadership will be faithful.
BTW, the Reverend Jim Jones ended up affiliated with the Disciples of Christ. Obviously he did not adhere to Christian church beliefs.
In recent times there's been a great deal o concern in all three of the major divisions over what's going on with Christmas. This has been paralleled over the centuries by the various Lutheran churches in Europe and America ~ and for much the same reasons.
It's not Biblical ~
Clearly neither Lutherans nor Christian Church members let that get in their way very much.
Proud participant of the Campbellite wars here on FR back in 2006-7-8 when “they” tried to take over the Religion threads.
Then there are those “Cooneyites” who don’t believe in Christmas or Easter, or TV, or Radio, or movies.
Let's hear it for the First Century Church
As a member of the Church of Christ....
We live in an age where we get to do everything custom tailored to OUR tastes. Cars, food, insurance, education, loans, the list is endless.
However, true religion is not ours to dictate. We cannot pick and choose, as we do with most things in our life nowadays, how we serve God. We do it the way God wants, hence the article above.
Of course, the Bible mentions Our Lord observing the "Feast of the Dedication", better known by its Hebrew name, "Hanukkah". You'll find no commandment concerning that feast in the OT Bible used by the Church of Christ, nor is the incident it commemorates mentioned.
I always celebrate Christmas, the tempests are out in droves especially in churches.
Whatever Church of Christ congregants want to do is fine with me. I get worn down over “having” to celebrate certain things, myself. I could go “All Lent, all the time.”
I think I’d rather hear something that the Church of Christ does believe in, something a little more positive than this devisive stuff that keeps Christians (and others) separated. All you are doing is bragging about how much better and holier y’all are for wearing your panties a little tighter than the rest of us.
Indeed. A life of prayer and penance sounds good right now. I think of you and yours often and always in prayer.
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