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To: metmom; Elsie; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww
Your own popes, your vicars of Christ, not even saved?

Mom, you are, presumably former Catholic and taught catechism -- you tell me.

So how about this born-again true blood Protestant dying and cursing God -- is he saved, according to your newfound Protestant faith?

4,795 posted on 01/07/2013 7:12:18 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
So how about this born-again true blood Protestant dying and cursing God -- is he saved, according to your newfound Protestant faith?

Just don't wanna deal with the SINs of the popes; do you...

Well; I wouldn't either, so we're together on this one.

4,797 posted on 01/07/2013 7:33:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
So how about this born-again true blood Protestant dying and cursing God -- is he saved, according to your newfound Protestant faith?

I'll take a stab at the trick question.

First of all, if the person in question was a genuinely born again believer in Jesus Christ, he has the indwelling Holy Spirit who will never leave or forsake him. If he was sent to hell for "cursing" God, the Holy Spirit would go with him there - not possible. Secondly, by "cursing" God at his death bed, are you saying he is rejecting his faith or is he in so much pain that it only sounds like he is cursing God due to excruciating agony? If he is rejecting his faith - and he really means it - then I would question if his faith was genuine to begin with. The Holy Spirit is within a believer, so especially in times of dire stress, he is a strong presence there, so a person who is under extreme duress probably would not curse God. And, if he slips up in this instant, after a lifetime of faith, I believe the grace of God is so strong that, yes, he would still be saved. You see, there is NOTHING that can separate us from God's love which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:38,39)

So, in your hypothetical example, the answer is relative to what only God is able to see - a man's heart. Now, this is unlike the example Metmom gave about the numerous Popes who were not at all hypothetical - they actually DID those things and probably far worse than we'll ever know about. Yet they were elected by supposedly Godly men for a position that is supposedly ordained by God, Himself, so that there is an "unbroken line of succession from St. Peter". The question must be how do you rectify the actual? We can argue hypotheticals all night.

4,799 posted on 01/07/2013 8:04:18 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: annalex; Elsie; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww
So how about this born-again true blood Protestant dying and cursing God -- is he saved, according to your newfound Protestant faith?

Like who? Who did that?

I am not a Protestant. I do not make claim to any denomination.

Being *Protestant* does not save anyone any more than being Catholic saves anyone. Being Protestant not equate to being born again and being born again does not equate to being Protestant

Being born again saves one and no one who is born again and is a new creature in Christ, who has the Holy Spirit and the mind of Christ, will curse God.

So your whole premise is wrong on several levels.

Oh, and it's not my *new found* faith. I've been a Christian for 35 years now.

4,824 posted on 01/08/2013 6:41:51 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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