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To: boatbums; metmom
""Context""

Here is the original of what Luther said and it goes way beyond just sin boldly,it names grave sins as nothing to be concerned with

From Luther

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/letsinsbe.txt

Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God's glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard for you are quite a sinner. On the day of the Feast of St. Peter the Apostle, 1521

How anyone can justify being saved and committing murder and adultery is beyond me,there is no appropriate context in which to even say such things

4,145 posted on 01/03/2013 1:37:10 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi; boatbums
No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.

Romans 8:31-39 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There is no sin greater or stronger than God and His love for His children and His ability to forgive them and their sin.

How anyone can justify being saved and committing murder and adultery is beyond me,there is no appropriate context in which to even say such things

Nobody does. Only an unregenerate mind would come to those conclusions.

Luther isn't saying that it's OK to do those things, nor is he advocating that anyone go out and do those things.

Anyone who is interpreting his comments to mean that is not being intellectually honest.

A person who is saved has the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit in them and has the mind of Christ. It is inconceivable that a genuine believer would ever think that way and it's virtually certain that someone who does think that way is not genuinely saved.

The point Luther is making is that God is greater than our sin and even our propensity to commit it.

Do Catholics understand hyperbole or does Luther just push them over the edge that easily?

4,154 posted on 01/03/2013 2:08:24 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: stfassisi; boatbums; metmom
>> How anyone can justify being saved and committing murder and adultery is beyond me,there is no appropriate context in which to even say such things<<

There ya go! Really stupid to put your trust in those who make comments like that or who kill people because they are considered heretics. Right?

4,155 posted on 01/03/2013 2:10:20 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: stfassisi
How anyone can justify being saved and committing murder and adultery is beyond me,there is no appropriate context in which to even say such things

Sigh...

Psalm 51: written by a man after GOD's own heart.

4,170 posted on 01/03/2013 3:53:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stfassisi
How anyone can justify being saved and committing murder and adultery is beyond me,there is no appropriate context in which to even say such things

You ask for "context" and then proceed to give a short few sentences of what was an entire sermon! I gave you a link to it. How ridiculous to claim Luther advocated gross sins. He most certainly did not and, if he had even suggested such behavior was sanctioned by God's grace, he would have NEVER had the followers he did. Don't you see what you are doing by making such silly accusations? You have cherry-picked pieces out of a mountain of work (probably from anti-Protestant sources) and falsely used them to try to prove a point NONE us us is even asserting. We don't follow after fallible men - we trust in what God's holy and infallible WORD says.

Really, stfassisi, you accomplish nothing by tossing out your "Luther Card", like some use a race card. It reflects badly on the one who relies upon it to trump another's point. It won't work! Has it yet?

4,289 posted on 01/03/2013 9:55:30 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: stfassisi; boatbums
How anyone can justify being saved and committing murder and adultery is beyond me,there is no appropriate context in which to even say such things

How anyone can justify being saved or any hope of being saved while to the dying breath saying "I'm all yours Mary" and telling his subjects to do the same SHOULD BE beyond any catholic as there is no appropriate context in which to even say such things.

4,340 posted on 01/04/2013 5:58:08 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: stfassisi; boatbums
How anyone can justify being saved and committing murder and adultery is beyond me,there is no appropriate context in which to even say such things

1 John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

4,501 posted on 01/05/2013 4:46:11 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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