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Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary
The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer

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To: annalex
I know you don't. I believe that the so-called reformation has been a disaster for the Western civilization and the low morals of the founding fathers of Protestantism bear me out in this conviction.

And the low morals of so many of your popes and priests bear out what a disaster Catholicism has been for the countries in which it is the dominant religion.

And we're still seeing the fruit of that today.

541 posted on 12/11/2012 6:38:59 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear; annalex; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
annalex: >> Those who pray to and love Virgin Mary are God's elect, as she herself is.<<

CB:Wait! What??? I thought Catholics didn’t pray to Mary. Now you say they do? I’m going to copy that post and save it!!

Don't forget that that is also a tacit admission that Catholics believe in election.

542 posted on 12/11/2012 6:41:18 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: annalex
This was the faith of the Church in early 2c.

Correct, yet somehow this is ignored in the place of those who have not suffered like the Early Church did while they sit in comfort and create modern theology from mistranslated Bible's.

It tears at my heart sometimes when I read what some people say against Our Blessed Mother, yet I know She is loving them beyond their understanding

A day without Jesus and Mary in my life would be a day without oxygen.

From Saint Jerome..

“Even while living in the world, the heart of Mary was so filled with motherly tenderness and compassion for men that no-one ever suffered so much for their own pains, as Mary suffered for the pains of her children.” -Saint Jerome

543 posted on 12/11/2012 6:53:48 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: metmom
"And the low morals of so many of your popes and priests..."

“If we still seek medical care despite bad doctors, if we still seek to learn despite bad teachers, if we still shop despite rude clerks, we should still belong to the Church despite the bad members of the Church. After all, if the Church were to admit to her ranks only perfect and sinless members, we ourselves would not be allowed to join. The Church is a hospital for sinners, people just like us and even worse, with faults and foibles, who are called, with the help of God, to love God and neighbor better.” — Dr. Christopher Kaczor, Professor of Philosophy at Loyola Marymount

544 posted on 12/11/2012 6:55:39 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
Bless you for your diligent scholarship.

That is very kind ,dear friend , but I'm just a simple man and a sinner.

545 posted on 12/11/2012 7:05:11 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Elsie

The use of “day” and “night” is metaphorical in relation to the Immaculate Conception being the dawn of our new day in Christ.

I am well aware that God created day and night.


546 posted on 12/11/2012 7:06:21 PM PST by Jvette
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To: annalex
A novice says: "I shall be obedient to my superior"

A novice with truth says: "I shall HEAR and OBEY God's Word alone". Then the novice is no longer a novice.

547 posted on 12/11/2012 7:33:41 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Natural Law
despite the bad members of the Church.

Bad teachings produce bad members. The fish stinks from the head down.

548 posted on 12/11/2012 7:38:04 PM PST by presently no screen name
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550 posted on 12/11/2012 8:20:57 PM PST by narses
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To: presently no screen name; Religion Moderator
"the hypocritical liars whose master is satan"

Please refrain from the insults. You have already had one post removed today for this exact phraseology. I would hate to see you zotted.

Peace be with you.

551 posted on 12/11/2012 8:38:48 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: stfassisi
Just take look at this wonderful prayer Blessed Augustine wrote and you will understand his great devotion to Our Lady...

So he was devoted.

Good for him; but I'm afraid that MARY can't do a single thing for me.

Nor would I want her to try.


How does the poor woman EVER get any rest; with you Catholics bombarding her with 'petitions' every second of every hour of every day?
552 posted on 12/11/2012 8:40:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: presently no screen name; Natural Law; All
Posts which address no particular issue in the debate and therefore only serve to incite a flamewar are subject to being pulled.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

553 posted on 12/11/2012 8:42:33 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: stfassisi
you don’t want to believe this

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

554 posted on 12/11/2012 8:45:25 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Natural Law; Elsie
In your listing of Scriptural references, which by the way has been posted many, many times in this Religion Forum, Jesus is referring not to the Bible, but to the Tanakh. It was the Church which preserved the Tradition from which it produced the Bible some 350 years after the Resurrection.

Jesus is referring to the Hebrew Bible, called the Tanakh. According to the Talmud (a commentary of the Tanakh) much of the contents of the Tanakh were compiled by the "Men of the Great Assembly" by 450 BCE, and have since remained unchanged. Modern scholars believe that the process of canonization of the Tanakh became finalized between 200 BCE and 200 CE. So, yes, Jesus meant the Divinely-inspired writings of the Old Testament (the name Christians call the Tanakh). But, Elsie, also quoted the writers of the New Testament books and they were ALSO called "Scripture" - as in Divinely inspired writings. These writings were accepted AS from God long before the church decided to make a canon "official" and call it the "Bible".

555 posted on 12/11/2012 9:03:48 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Natural Law
Please refrain from the insults.

So God's Word is an insult? That doesn't end well.

IT is known thin skinned can't handle Truth. Making a post disappear is too funny as it keeps some warm and fuzzy and it's futile because it doesn't change the TRUTH.

I would hate to see you zotted.

And I don't believe that. NO PC here, keep it honest!

God's Word is THE FINAL AUTHORITY. And nothing anyone can do about it - although some with be gnashing their teeth as It is Written.

556 posted on 12/11/2012 9:09:48 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: daniel1212; annalex
After their escape, the nuns were presented to Luther. He tried to find them homes, husbands, or work, hoping that with time they all would marry. Eventually they all married except one: Katherine von Bora. When Luther met her two years later, she told him that she had not been able to find a husband. Luther decided to take her as his wife.

Thanks for doing some more research on this. For those who actually care about the truth and not just trying to fling mud hoping to smear everyone with it with which they don't agree, it is interesting to note that Luther did NOT even know Katherina when she and her fellow nuns were freed from the convent they no longer wanted to stay at. He didn't actually meet her until TWO YEARS after that happened. So, I guess we can expect certain people to apologize for having accused them both of "sneaking around to get it on". We know that is a false accusation now and, hopefully, we won't hear it repeated again the next time Martin Luther's name is brought up. Hope springs eternal, right?

557 posted on 12/11/2012 9:15:32 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Natural Law
"the hypocritical liars whose master is satan" Please refrain from the insults

Did you place yourself in ROME'S seat? Such teachings come through hypocritical liars.......... 1 Tim 4:2

Know your place and refrain from being out of line.

558 posted on 12/11/2012 9:16:53 PM PST by presently no screen name
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559 posted on 12/11/2012 9:20:05 PM PST by narses
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To: boatbums; daniel1212

Thanks. I missed Daniel’s post.

And I add my thanks to Daniel for his always excellent research and his commitment to TRUTH.


560 posted on 12/11/2012 9:22:37 PM PST by presently no screen name
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