Posted on 11/28/2012 6:00:38 PM PST by Colofornian
http://www.lds.org/church/news/mormonor ... c?lang=eng
How about being straight up and saying that Mormons put on costumes and chant rituals in secret buildings that only 10% of gross earnings paid as "tithes" allow entrance?
Mormonism wants people to think they are normal that they are just Christians like everyone else. Each year they get rid of more and more of their embarrassing doctrines - or doctrines that aren't politically correct anymore. Apologist attack dogs fight any critics on technicalities.
Mormonism has one thing that works for them - and that is the funneling of cash from members to the Cult coffers. This is done through mandatory tithe. And in order to make this tithe work - and make the member believe in the Cult enough to pay - they have to have the secret temple ceremonies. You have to put a ton of make believe in there.
Stephen R. Donaldson is one of my favorite authors. In one of his series of books he explained how a great and noble group of leaders were slowly corrupted through the centuries by simple infiltration of ideas. The ideas changed the group slowly until they went from helping people to human sacrifices. The new leaders of the group knew what was going on - but they surrounded themselves with those who only had faith - not knowledge. Those who had faith were much stronger because they were driven by the new cult. Those who held faith were much easier to control.
Pondering the story Donaldson had written I saw the same manifested in the Cult of Mormonism. If you have members who are so convinced you are the one and only true Cult, they will not hesitate to open their pocketbooks and hand over everything. Mormonism needs this kind of special, secret, garment wearing, new name, pay lay ale - in order to keep the tithes flowing. If the cat is out of the bag, the tithing will stop.
So the reality is there is a certain point where Mormonism must stop moving towards Christianity - it has to because money is ultimately the top priority of the Cult. Money - Power - Control.
Look at all the recovery boards right now - even the NOM boards. What is the #1 topic right now because of upcoming December? Tithing. Tithing. Tithing. Oh and don't forget tithing. Sign up for tithing settlement. And don't forget to sign up for tithing settlement.
“All of our messaging is focused on helping people understand that Mormons are Christian,”
Naw, Mormonism isn't a Christian church. It's a secretive Cult with very cultish practices and it has to stay that way - or go broke.
Of course my perspective differs from yours. If we were the exact same there would be no conversation, no opportunity to learn.
B “Well, Jesus wasn’t a wimp, but He was a man, not simply a semblance of a man. Every man has limitations, even if, in Jesus’ case, they were self-imposed. Also, no matter what you or I may have faced, we can’t presume to compare that, or our reactions, to what Christ faced. We can take up our cross, and follow Him, but we aren’t in a position to know what it was really like for Him to carry His cross.”
Agreed, but the emaciated, skeletal, wimpy figure found on many crosses well, not my Jesus. My Jesus could have stepped down from the cross in power and majesty if at any point he decided I wasn't worth it, which makes his sacrifice all the more potent, No one could kill him, he had to willingly give up his life for me.
To my shame, I still sin knowing that and must continually repent and call upon that sacrifice for salvation.
Delph
B “Now, that right there was some funny... bumper sticker worthy even!”
Glad you liked it.
Delph :-)
B “Yes, I agree, who cares? I think it’s goofy and unbiblical, but it wouldn’t do me any harm if it was performed for me, so why should it bother me? Getting mad about that would seem to me like an atheist getting mad when Christians say that we’ll pray for them.”
You sir a singularly logical christian!
Delph
From Delphi User:
The bible is not everything God said, nor does it completely agree with itself. (Judas’ death for example)
The Catholics and Protestants have added dogma to the Scriptures.
The Mormons took a bit of a different route, but give it a couple hundred years and all this “You're not a Christian stuff will die out)
It only takes a few days for the FR mormons to start defaming the Bible.
Why is it that the fall-back position for mormons when faced with the lies of Joseph Smith is to start making ridiculous comments like, "The bible is not everything God said, nor does it completely agree with itself. (Judas’ death for example)".
The Bible is the cornerstone of Christianity and attempts to twist that around to include the fiction of the book of mormon will not change that.
The statement "The Mormons took a bit of a different route, but give it a couple hundred years and all this “You're not a Christian stuff will die out)" is very telling....just keep harping on the lie and the truth supposedly will go away. That's why there are 55,000 mormon missionaries out there attempting to kill the truth in the minds of others.
How much longer are FReepers to be exposed to this kind of misinformation/disinformation/outright lying?
Agreed.
Hi Greyfoxx,
I’m not a Mormon because of my opinion, but because of the information and knowledge that has been revealed to me.
Best,
Normandy
Have you read the information and knowledge that has been revealed on FR regarding mormon belief and doctrine...or have you only accepted the information that is approved by mormon leaders as it is dictated to members?
Get back to me after you have broadened your horizons to include non-sanctioned material.
1. Do your homework
2. Past performance.
Yup; this is how to spot a false prophet as well.
Joseph Smith was a conman in his past; and it appears that his conman ways caught up with him and shortened his future.
Why??
And Elsie the Fifth will STILL be posting this:
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).
For your own sake; do NOT murder anyone; for your MORMON jesus won't help you in THAT sin!
And you; Sir; are a singularly DAMNED person (according to the words of your #2 Prophet).
Since other information and knowledge has been 'revealed' here in FR territory about the heresies of MORMONism; I'd have to say you are an unteachable person.
And a DAMNED one at that (according to your chosen religion's #2 prophet).
Under the circumstances - your devout hatred for anything LDS - please zot/ban me again. There is no use in my defending my love for the Savior Jesus Christ here on this site when you exhibit such utter contempt for Him and me.
Hardly, Truth doesn't have an expiration date...
Why is it that the fall-back position for mormons when faced with the lies of Joseph Smith is to start making ridiculous comments like, "The bible is not everything God said, nor does it completely agree with itself."
That's because they agree with FLDS/LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young who declared that the Joseph Smith "retranslation" of the ENTIRE BIBLE WAS A FRAUD.
So here we have a cult, who's founder claimed to be visited by 2 gods who came to him upset that the bible had been corrupted and told him among other things to retranslate it. The supposedly corrupt KJV WAS THE REASON FOR THE WHOLE EVENT......Smith "retranslates" it (to do away with the corruption), Young declares the translation a fraud, the breakaway salt lake sect doesn't use it to this day, and now they have the nerve to simultaneously "use" and "reject" the KJV Bible.
Now I know where Harry Reid got his chutzpah.
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