White Horse Prophecy [Mitt's Loss brings obvious conclusion that Mormon leaders falsely prophesied]

MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.

It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.

Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?

Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.

“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.

In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.

Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.

Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.

Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.

Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.

I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.

My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.

Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.

In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.

There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.

A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .

*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.

*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.

*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.

*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).

I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.

One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.

Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:

The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”

Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.

“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.

Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”

As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:

…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.

Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?

Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?

What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?

About the author: Dustin Naef has been a student of ancient mysteries and the paranormal for as long as he can remember. He has worked in screenwriting, graphic design and illustration, produced and designed video best-selling games, and is currently involved in the production of a film documentary and book about the mysteries surrounding Mount Shasta, California.

Holy Moly! Godzilla sounds like those Southern Baptist preachers or holy roller types - condemning people to hell and demanding to know who has repented appropriately and fully and who has not.

You ask if I have repented of my sins. To the best of my abilities - and I had a boatload of sins to be sure - and in fact I am far from sinless even now. Not that it’s any of your blankety-blank business, you holier-than-thou walkin’-on-water types.

I love my Church and you just can’t stand it for some unknown reason. Be that as it may, Jesus Christ is my very Best Friend; He is my Judge and Advocate with the Father. I believe in the Holy Ghost, too, who is helping me get through this crazy mixed-up world - day by day.

Holy Moly! Godzilla sounds like those Southern Baptist preachers or holy roller types - condemning people to hell and demanding to know who has repented appropriately and fully and who has not.

Show me where I condemned you to hell SD - so stop bearing false witness

To the best of my abilities - and I had a boatload of sins to be sure - and in fact I am far from sinless even now. Not that it’s any of your blankety-blank business, you holier-than-thou walkin’-on-water types.

then you haven't truly repented of your sins -
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 58:43: “By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins—behold, he will confess them and forsake them.”

You say you continue to sin - then by your doctrine you haven't repented. Before you start blankety-blanking me SD, take your doctrine up with your bishop.

Oh, and for those sins you think you repented of just now -

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 82:7: “And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God.”

Your doctrine states you just got them all back.

“Those who receive forgiveness and then repeat the sin are held accountable for their former sins.” —Gospel Principles, p. 253

This is what your Jesus does for you SD.

There is no paid clergy in the LDS Church. We are all volunteers. There is no passing of the plate on Sundays. We tithe, yes, but that’s a private matter and none of your business.

You can try all you want to tear down my Testimony of the Savior and His Love but you are wrong and wasting your time. I love Jesus and He loves me.

You are right about one thing. Your Jesus is not my Jesus. My Jesus accepts me and loves me; He does not condemn me. He came to save me from my sins. Your Jesus condemns me and rejects me. How sad for you that you actually believe you are qualified to judge me regarding my Testimony of the Savior.

Your ill conceived opinion of the LDS faith is leading you astray. I kind of get it, though, as I used to be an anti Mormon, too - out of ignorance and being deceived by preachers and other so-called Christians.

He came to save me from my sins.

What does your doctrine say SD?

ALMA 11:37: “And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins.”

You've already told us you haven't repented of all your sins SD. How then can this mormon Jesus save you. since this mormon jesus cannot promise forgiveness - why should I follow him? Again, before you blankety-blank me - discuss your doctrine problem with your bishop.

S.D.: Day after day after day after day. They are afraid to lose their livelihood. Big business going after the Mormons.

R: I don’t make ANY money in my ministry, I don’t ask for any, I don’t want any. I PAY MY OWN WAY for my ministry.

Looks like you owe Reaganaut an apology for false accusations about his ministry to Mormons. Will you do the honorable, and Christian, thing and admit you were wrong?

Yes, the Rev. Billy Graham is being vilified and jumped all over for removing Mormons from his ministry’s cult list.

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Can you read?! For the last time BGEA removed the ENTIRE list, not just Mormons from the list. Also, they still say that they consider Mormonism a cult. So your little ‘story’ is misleading at best.

Stop bearing false witness and deal with the fact Mormonism is a cult.

But cheer up, maybe you can get me banned/zotted again

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More false witness against me Sandy. I had NOTHING to do with you getting banned. You did that yourself. Stop blaming us for your own mistakes, Sandy. You were the one that pushed JR into your ban. It was ALL you.

“Those who receive forgiveness and then repeat the sin are held accountable for their former sins.” —Gospel Principles, p. 253

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Which means since Sandy has borne false witness against us, at least 3 times just on this thread. ALL of her past lies and false witnesses (even the ones she repented of) come back to her. No forgiveness for any of them.

That isn’t Jesus at all. That is demonic.

There is no paid clergy in the LDS Church. We are all volunteers.

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Sandy, you need to do your research. While there is NO LONGER a paid clergy in the LDS - there was up until the mid 20th century. Even patriarchs got paid PER patriarchal blessing.

Today, LDS leaders get money by being placed on multiple board of directors for LDS owned business, up to a million dollars PER YEAR - even if they know nothing about the business for a SINGLE MEETING and stay on the board of directors until they die and get paid even if they cannot make the meetings (ET Benson is great case of this).

Additionally, CES instructors, MTC instructors, etc are ALL PAID.

Add to that, the LDS leaders have a built in market for their books. They publish a book of old talks, sell it for $30 dollars and know they will sell easily 500,000 copies. All money for them.

I can document all of this. So, don’t play the holier than thou card because your church has slave labor at the lower levels.

You can try all you want to tear down my Testimony of the Savior and His Love but you are wrong and wasting your time.

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No, I want you to come to the REAL Biblical Jesus, not the false one of Mormonism and I want to tear down your ‘testimony’ of the Mormon CHURCH - not Jesus - a ‘testimony’ built on feelings regardless of the facts.

Mormons like you remind me of Esau who sold his birthright for a pot of stew.

Your Jesus condemns me and rejects me. How sad for you that you actually believe you are qualified to judge me regarding my Testimony of the Savior.

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I judge you based upon your Church’s teachings. Christ judged false teachers and legalists as well.

Your ill conceived opinion of the LDS faith is leading you astray.

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ROFL! My opinions are based on fact, and experience. Don’t forget I used to be just like you, a total TBM. They are not ‘ill concieved’ at all. I can back up everything I claim about Mormon doctrine.

BTW, you didn’t address any of my comments. Just the same old song and dance.

Mormonism led me astray. God rescued me from that demonic cult and I pray He will rescue you.

Looks like you owe Reaganaut an apology for false accusations about his ministry to Mormons. Will you do the honorable, and Christian, thing and admit you were wrong?

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Thanks BB for trying, but I suspect Hell will freeze over before Sandy apologizes to a ‘daughter of perdition’ like me.

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