White Horse Prophecy [Mitt's Loss brings obvious conclusion that Mormon leaders falsely prophesied]

MessagetoEagle.com ^ | Nov. 8, 2012 | Dustin Naef

[Colofornian]

MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.

It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.

Electoral Votes:

Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206

Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?

Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.

“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.

In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.

Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.

Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.

Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.

Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.

I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.

My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.

Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .

Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.

In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.

There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.

A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .

*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.

*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.

*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.

*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).

And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—

I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.

One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.

Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:

The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”

Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.

“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.

Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”

As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:

…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.

With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .

Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?

Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?

What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?

Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .

Written by Dustin Naef - MessageToEagle.com Contributor

About the author: Dustin Naef has been a student of ancient mysteries and the paranormal for as long as he can remember. He has worked in screenwriting, graphic design and illustration, produced and designed video best-selling games, and is currently involved in the production of a film documentary and book about the mysteries surrounding Mount Shasta, California.

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[roses of sharon]

Just hoping to see 600 posts ANYWHERE on FR on “how to defeat these SOBs” ideas.

Wishful thinking I guess.

[Colofornian]

I Know that My Redeemer Lives

Thank you Saundra for printing out the lyrics to this hymn...you reference this as an "LDS hymn"; yet the author of this song was a Baptist minister, Samuel Medley!!!!

ALL: The reality is that 53% of the hymns in the current Mormon hymnal (190 out of 358) were written by Christian authors -- not Mormon authors!

Why is this significant? Because Medley and most of these other Christian hymn writers lived in the 18th (and/or 19th centuries) -- and were utterly condemned by Joseph Smith and his successors.

In fact, THE MOST important section of peculiar Mormon "scripture" is their "first vision"...where Joseph Smith said these unnamed entities appeared to him, and Smith said: he had gone "to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that ALL were wrong) and which I should join. 19 I was answered that I must join NONE of them, for they were ALL wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that ALL their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were ALL corrupt; that: 'they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.'" (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith History - chapter 1)

If the Baptists were "ALL wrong" -- as these unnamed entities told Joseph Smith...
If the Baptists professors of faith were "ALL corrupt" -- as these unnamed entities told Joseph Smith...
If the creeds embraced by Baptists were all an "abomination" -- as these unnamed entities told Joseph Smith...
If the Baptist hearts had wandered -- as these unnamed entities told Joseph Smith...
And if the Baptists were among all the Protestant "apostates" that Mormonism has labeled all of us as...
...Then why on earth are they loading up on Christian worship and Christian resources???...
...Unless...
...Unless...they want to have their cake and eat it, too...
...appearing "Christian"--and tapping quite heavily into Christian tradition for their own benefits and PR image...
...all while labeling us "corrupt apostate heart-wanderers who are wrong and not joinable" due to our supposed 100% off-base creeds.

Quite curious. This would be like a Christian denomination drawing over half of its hymns from JWs...and/or the ancient Arian heretics...Or the Mormons taking over half of their hymns from the fLDS!!!!

And then saying that their favorite hymn came from those sources!

So. We Protestants are "good" for some of the Mormon worship life; but we're also "abominable," "corrupt," not the true and living church, the church of the devil (1 Nephi, 13 & 14, Book of Mormon), and heart-wandering "apostates."

Utter Mormon hypocrisy!

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NOTE: For Saundra's next "Mormon" trick, she will post the lyrics to yet another fave hymn in the Mormon hymnbook...Come Thou Fount...ALREADY "on Mormon record" to be yet another FAVE "Lds" hymn...see {A&E} 'Favoritest' Hymn of All Winner! [Two Fave Lds Hymns penned by Baptists!]

Then I can show that its author was yet another Baptist, Robert Robinson...and can repeat the above post!!!

[Elsie]

Double plus good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NEt0IUW180&feature=related

[Elsie]

Hurry Nana!!!

[Elsie]

Hurry Nana!!!

[Elsie]

Hurry Nana!!!

[Elsie]

Too late!

[MarkBsnr]

My Jesus loves and accepts me.

Your own personal Jesus?

Why don't you copyright him? Oh, that's right. That's what the LDS has done.

Your Jesus is not my Jesus.

Methinks that you are confusing Creator and creature...

[MarkBsnr]

My heart is occupied by the Savior Jesus Christ.

Oh? Then how is it possible that you have made room for MORMONism as well?

Umm, maybe she has a big heart?

[Saundra Duffy]

Dog pile alert

[Saundra Duffy]

I didn’t leave FR; I was zotted/banned - something about an “opus” which I don’t even know what that means. Probably hundreds of us - Mormons - were zotted about a year ago.

Cheer up, maybe you can get me banned again; then you won’t have to be bothered by my love for the Savior Jesus Christ.

[Elsie]

Why don't you copyright him? Oh, that's right. That's what the LDS has done.

And there may be some reading this that think you are kidding!!!

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• Preface to the Book of Mormon 1830 Ed.

  PREFACE.

  TO THE READER—

  As many false reports have been circulated respecting the following work, and also many unlawful measures taken by the evil designing persons to destroy me, and also the work, I would inform you that I translated, by the gift and power of God, and caused to be written, one hundred and sixteen pages, the which I took from the Book of Lehi, which was an account abridged from the plates of Lehi, by the hand of Mormon; which said account, some person or persons have stolen and kept from me, notwithstanding my utmost exertions to recover it again—and being commanded of the Lord that I should not translate the same over again, for Satan had put it into their hearts to tempt the Lord their God, by altering the words, that they did read contrary from that which I translated and caused to be written; and if I should bring forth the same words again, or, in other words, if I should translate the same over again, they would publish that which they had stolen, and Satan would stir up the hearts of this generation, that they might not receive this work: but behold, the Lord said unto me, I will not suffer that Satan shall accomplish his evil design in this thing: therefore thou shalt translate from the plates of Nephi, until ye come to that which ye have translated, which ye have retained; and behold ye shall publish it as the record of Nephi; and thus I will confound those who have altered my words. I will not suffer that they shall destroy my work; yea, I will shew unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the Devil. Wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, I have, through his grace and mercy, accomplished that which he hath commanded me respecting this thing. I would also inform you that the plates of which hath been spoken, were found in the township of Manchester, Ontario county, New-York.

  THE AUTHOR.
  

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[Elsie]

It don't get much more ironic (hypocritical?) than this...

Agnes Bernardo, Pamela Colip and Saundra Duffy-Hawkins (collectively Bernardo) brought suit for injunctive relief against Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) and Planned Parenthood of San Diego and Riverside Counties (PPSDRC) (together Planned Parenthood) under California’s Unfair Competition Law (Bus. & Prof.Code, § 17200 et seq.) and False Advertising Law (Bus. & Prof.Code, § 17500 et seq.).

[svcw]

No Sandy you were not zotted, you chose to leave unless you are calling the admins liars.
I absolutely DO NOT WANT you banned.
NEVER wanted never asked for it.
What I want for you is to know the Biblical all loving God and Jesus Christ of the Bible NOT the lds jesus, not the lds gods.
If Jesus Christ is your Savior as you have stated over and over, then why dear one are you a mormon - the statement is contrary to lds teachings?
My spirit weeps for you dear one.

[Elsie]

...obvious conclusion that Mormon leaders falsely prophesied

[goat granny]

I only had one that needed its horn removed...3 month old kid that got his head caught in the fence and pulled the horn 1/2 way out....they can bleed to death with a busted horn and the vet had to remove it. Its like pulling a tooth and he screamed when they pulled it out...but you should have seen my main breeder, he couldn't get through the barn door without turning his head sideway....I don't remember if it was 44 or 46 inches from tip to tip...taking him down to trim hoofs was a bitch cause you couldn't get his head on the ground and hubby had to hold his head while I trimmed his hoofs. Male angoras horn splay out not back like the females. they have a curl and then straight out and curl again. He looked magnificent except right after shearing, then he looked dumb as a doodoo bird. All head and horns. But one year he sheared 42 pounds of mohair...couldn't believe it when I weighted his shearing...The males would fight head to head...back up a little from each other, go up on their hind legs and run toward the other and-the split second before they met, both heads went down and you could hear the crash...they try for the leg of the other goat to break it...Had one get his back leg broken cause the other goat came up behind him, snagged the leg and just turned his head and the leg broke....I did nurse him back to health in a pen and hand feeding him for a week, he survived.....have you ever seen a picture of an angora...the males are lovely when in full hair....

[Colofornian]

I type what’s in my heart. My heart is occupied by the Savior Jesus Christ

Saundra, I know this post will tread upon emotional ground...and if you don't want "to go there" -- please just don't respond to this post.

I know who also has been "on your heart" for quite some time...your two little boys, who moved on to the afterlife.

Now I don't know the timing of your conversion to Mormonism, but IF it occurred after your loss, then it seems understandable as to why you would hanker after the false gospel of Mormonism...and that is (a) the family is forever angle; and (b) Baptisms for the dead.

ALL: If this is even a sub-conscious angle for Saundra, then all the intellectual arguments in the world can't compete with this underlying emotional tie.

The bottom line is: The Mormon 'gospel' of 'family is forever' doesn't even "kick in" for Mormons unless ALL -- as in generation after generation after generation...including ALL the 'in-laws' & extended relatives...prove to be "temple worthy" qualified as such...
In stark contrast, the true Gospel of Jesus Christ expands the "family unit" in Heavenly Father's presence...we're ALL one big family...vs. making mere men as competing 'patriarchs' of our Father in Heaven!