Indeed, if all religions lead to God, which Dave said earlier himself, then why the need to *drain the swamp*? EVERYTHING is then legitimate and nothing can be rejected by his own standards.
Let me get the popcorn going while we wait for an answer.
Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
Written by Dustin Naef - MessageToEagle.com Contributor
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Drain the swamp - what a condescending p rick.
You know as much about Biblical concepts as Fred Phelps.
I am sorry honey, but sitting around singing cum-by-a, and all being good people means squat, so far what you have posted is oprahisms and tried to claim them as Biblical.
When you say you serve his kingdom, his who? and what kingdom?
What I meant there was Luther's teachings resulted in heresy. Swedenborg's father was Bishop of Sweden. Swedenborg considered himself Lutheran until 1745. His father was a magnificent man by all I've read. Swedenborg wrote quite a bit in the Apocalypse Revealed about the fate of the reformed who have faith with no charity. It ain't pretty.
Faith without works is dead.
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so James says but you dont appear to know what those ‘works’ might be...
Paul said it wasnt from works...
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8, 9
John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
*Loving* God isn't enough. It takes repentance and confession and receiving Jesus.
There is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved. Period, end of story.
All it takes is ONE sin to condemn us and the wages of sin is death.
Christians are not to act like those unsaved on the left.
Romans 1:18-32 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Details, details......
Got Scripture to back that up?
#1 Swedenborg never left the Lutheran Church. The church that began in his name came after his death.
#2 Here you concede Swedenborg's father (a Lutheran pastor) was a magnificent man, and concede that Swedenborg followed Luther thru 1745...which means that if Luther's teachings "resulted" in heresy, then the Swedenborgs were fellow "heretics" too?
#3 Swedenborg taught that all religions lead to God...so who are you -- if you embrace such nonsense -- to condemn Lutheranism that even Swedenborg taught led to God?
(Dave doesn't need true Scripture; the followers of Swedenborg consider his writings to be divinely "inspired"...btw, Swedenborg rejected as Scripture everything in the New Testament except Revelation and the Gospels; and rejected that in the Old Testaments that lies between Psalms and Isaiah...So Swedenborg was this 'pick and choose' hatchet man who claimed all divine authority in and of himself in this world to determine what was -- and what wasn't "Scripture"...)
Your *ministry* here is to "drain the swamp"?
We ain't leaving. And we're not shutting up.
You are involved in a cult and need to turn to the one and only true God, who has revealed Himself in Scripture.
Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven, for anyone, anywhere, at any time in history, past, present, and future.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Even if somebody did that, why would you -- a follower of Swedenborg -- deem that to be a "foul" thing? Swedenborg taught that heaven and hell are both within us and that we can freely enter into either one...
If you literally believed Swedenborg on this, then if somebody condemned you to hell, they are just -- in Swedenborgian concept...condemning you to somewhere inside of you...
Now perhaps you know yourself best...and perhaps you see how "foul" it is in there (I don't know, I'm not you)...but if the worse that can happen is to be condemned inside yourself...how is that "foul" unless that inner environment is already pretty foul?
Paul covered that well in 1st Cor.13
Admittedly 'charity' in that instance translates better in modern usage to mean 'love', rather than the differing modern form of English language understanding of 'charity', as in giving to the poor, or giving to a cause of goodwill.
Indeed, if all religions lead to God, which Dave said earlier himself, then why the need to *drain the swamp*? EVERYTHING is then legitimate and nothing can be rejected by his own standards.
Let me get the popcorn going while we wait for an answer.
Allow me to tell you what disciples Swedenborg teach that they deem "swampy":
* They militate vs. the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit;
* They teach universalism -- that all roads lead to God...and that heaven & hell is within you...
* They deny the Tri-unity of God
* They deny the vicarious atonement of Jesus Christ -- and believe in salvation by good works
* They add to "scripture" by proclaiming Swedenborg's writings to be "inspired" after some "vision" he had from an unseen world -- and they reject most of the New Testament, and a portion of the Old Testament, to be "Scripture"...and even then, it's not God's Word, but rather a "symbolic parable of our inner life"
* Swedenborg embraced occultic aspects, claiming to have experienced astral travel...he's been called a medium & the among the earliest "clairvoyants" * He proclaimed 1757 as THE intro of THE NEW AGE (meaning the end of the Old Christian Age)...so the forces of darkness used him to bring the New Age into the Western world...
Drain the swamp?
Drain the swamp?
Can we have G&Ts with that popcorn?
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