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White Horse Prophecy [Mitt's Loss brings obvious conclusion that Mormon leaders falsely prophesied]
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| Nov. 8, 2012
| Dustin Naef
Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Lazamataz
To fail to answer is to answer only-too-well.And, after each one of these answers I gave you was one of my own.
Am I to be denied answers from you?
341
posted on
11/11/2012 5:47:28 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: DaveMSmith
342
posted on
11/11/2012 5:48:23 PM PST
by
svcw
(Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
To: Lazamataz
I stipulate that your hatred of Mormonism is so strong...Stipulate all you want. Build your strawnman as tall as you'd like.
You not intimidate me, shame me, or scare me.
You want a MORMON to win?
Simple: put up a better one than Mitt.
343
posted on
11/11/2012 5:49:27 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Lazamataz
I feel -- given that you are a participant on a conservative forum -- that this is an indication that you need therapy on the issue of Mormonism. Feel all you want, but I doubt that completing Psyche 101 entitles you to make such a precise diagnosis without a lot more session hours of study.
Sometimes a cigar really is a cigar.
344
posted on
11/11/2012 5:52:12 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: DaveMSmith; metmom
Again, my belief is there is ONE God of heaven and earth who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit: Jesus Christ. Dave, you earlier said there were many paths - Jesus said only one - him and that path was narrow - not broad like you appear to subscribe to. BTW, your description above is not scriptural, but confused.
345
posted on
11/11/2012 5:53:43 PM PST
by
Godzilla
(3/7/77)
To: Saundra Duffy
I dont much like mere human beings going around condemning folks to hell.BOING!!!
Leap right over and IGNORE what B.Y. said about YOU; Sandy!
Whistling past the MORMON graveyard is NOT going to help when you stand before Joseph Smith and give answer to HIS questions!
346
posted on
11/11/2012 5:54:39 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: wintertime
How would these posters react, if they were in a car wreck and learned that some of the EMTs, ER staff, the surgical team and trauma surgeons were Mormon. Well; many of your ilk have indicated they'd rather DIE than have them be MUSLIM!!!
347
posted on
11/11/2012 5:56:20 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: DaveMSmith
You have never heard my confession of faith. If you think it'll help; then state it.
Until then; we have your WORDS which you've written for ALL to see.
348
posted on
11/11/2012 5:57:32 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: DaveMSmith
So you don’t judge, funny thing is that God said we are to judge everything against His Word.
I can not condemn you to hell - heaven or hell its your choice and your’s alone. We go to heave or hell of our own free will.
Jesus spoke truth - He said the was only one way.
psst, Have you ever read what Jesus said? If He wasn’t ‘harassing people” they wouldn’t have crucified Him.
Really, now look at the disciples, they preached and people rioted - I’d call that big time harassment.
349
posted on
11/11/2012 5:58:16 PM PST
by
svcw
(Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
To: wintertime
Actually about a month ago I sat next to 2 of them in McDonalds...
we had quite a chat ..
I told them about Joseph Smith and his adultry and his lies and they told me I was right...
They hadnt known long about the treuth but I knew way too much for them to deny it...
some of the things I said didnt go over too well but they promised to look up what I said in the internet...
they were strangers to one another having only just got together 2 days before...
One was finishing his ordeal the other was had 6 months time in...
they told me the companions and “mission” places are changed every 6 weeks right now...
its something new
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I said that they wouldnt get to know their companion very well before theyhad to move on...
They admitted it was lonely not being able to make vlose friends and then always having a stranger every 6 weeks...
I told them what I knew of MTC and that got their attention...
they said they were told thaty was secret sacred...
I told them what had happened when they went “through the temple’
They wanted to know how I just a “Gentile” would know what was special and secret and sacred to them only
I suggested they search the Internet at the public library..
they said they would...
I dont think they are not long for the world of Mormonism
especially the one who has finished his mission with no wet ones to his record...
I asked how they could afford to eat at McDonalds
they said they were getting a lot more money right now...
bet that changed at midnight Nov 6-7..
and of course I preached at length about who Jesus is and what He did for us and that they needed to get saved if they wanted to go to Heaven and not Hell..
even bright young Mormon boys have a right to know who Jesus is and Him crucified..
...and I think this was the only time that some silly butt mormon kid wet behind the ears and ignorant of the things of God didnt challenge me and my right to preach because I was a woman and didnt have a pesthood entitlement..
They listened and I prayed a lot silently as I preached..
Now Im an old hand at street preaching ...
Get to the guts of the Bible and dont waste time...
sometimes you only have a moment or 2
but they had just sat down with their food and so had I
God sent those boys into that McDonalds to hear about Him not the weather and not an argument...
each time I got their attention with their doctrines and beliefs I let them know what was true in the Bible that proved that bit wrong...
I showed them that they really had no foundation for their own beliefs...
well what exactly did you say Nana ???
It was one of those times you just open your mouth and let the Holy Spirit of God fill it...
It was one of those God ordained moments that make you go home and cry because God used you to speak His Words...
which I later did just that and prayed for them as I do all the time for all the Mormons trapped in that demonic cult...
They even gave me their first names...
But they told me they were not allowed to talk about Romney or the election or say who they were voting for...
I didnt press them...
But I did tell them that Romney was not the savior of America to which they agreed...
I wanted a good solid lead in to Who was and it was smooth sailing from then on...
They were hungry for God...
If ever there was a time for a mighty harvest of Mormon souls it would be now...
Their house is built on sand and it has fallen from under them
Hateful ???
What would have been hateful would have been to leave those 2 lost boys sinking in their damnable cults beliefs...
To: Lazamataz
But to oppose him on the religion, and be glad he lost, so that a Mormon is not in the Presidency....?Wow!
Now EVERYthing is excluded; except for religion.
351
posted on
11/11/2012 6:00:25 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie; wintertime
wintertime;
I am going to invite them in for lunch or dinner. I want to hear from them what they **really** believe because the fruits of the lives of the few Mormons I know very casually doesnt match up with the hateful venom posted here.
Ask them which "translation" is more valid. Feel free to use Elsie's provided material as a starting point.
Tell me, what precisely is "hateful" in posts such as I'm pinging you to here? Elsie provides demonstration of Joseph Smith's tampering with scripture --- which is then passed off as not only "word of God" by Mormons, but attempts to supplant those texts coming many long centuries before their "religion" first arose in NY State.
I see cogent argument or discussion in much of what the "anti's" bring. Documented evidence, no less, much of the time. Where on this thread PRECISELY do you see "hate" aimed at Mormons in general? The mocking photos posted? The context they are used in tells another story.
Simply terming criticisms "hateful" appears to me to be deflection from what issues are actually being discussed, along the lines of shooting clumsily aimed spitwads towards posters whom you've claimed you hold no respect for(?).
Regardless of your own estimation or opinion of others here (whom you do appear to be objecting to them criticizing Mormonism), is there any other objection or question towards the veracity of the information conveyed?
I've followed these types of discussions for some years now. Most of the objections look like just so much hand waving, to me, when they are not of the personalized attack sort, stealthily crafted those attacks at times may be...
352
posted on
11/11/2012 6:01:16 PM PST
by
BlueDragon
(going to change my name to "Nobody" then run for elective office)
To: wintertime
NO I AM NOT MORMON.Brother; we can help you with that!!
353
posted on
11/11/2012 6:01:33 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: wintertime
It's odd these posters frequent these Anti-Mormonism posts, or are the originators of them, but I don't see them with such frequency or fervor discussing really deadly threats such as Islam or discussing the horrific erosion of the culture due to atheism and paganism.Oh, you don't see US doing anything like that?
It's because you and your buds, apparently, do SO much of it that we feel no need to do so.
Therefore; give the lurkers a few links pointing out where YOU have done what you wish WE had done; ok?
354
posted on
11/11/2012 6:04:28 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: wintertime
The very next time I see those clean cut and wholesome looking boys riding their bikes in my neighborhood, I am going to invite them in for lunch or dinner. Check the list to see if that is permitted them.
The Rules
- Learn and obey all missionary rules.
- Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
- Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
- Don't debate or argue.
- Center your mind on your mission.
- Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
- Cut your hair regularly.
- Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
- Be neat and clean.
- Bathe frequently.
- Use deodorant.
- Polish your shoes.
- Iron your shirt and business suit.
- Arise at 6:30 A.M.
- Study for 2 hours every morning.
- Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
- Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
- Exercise regularly.
- Write in your journal regularly.
- Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
- Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
- Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
- Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
- Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
- Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
- Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
- End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
- Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
- Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
- Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
- Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
- Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
- Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
- Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
- Stay with your companion during all activities.
- Do not go on road trips.
- Do not leave your assigned area without permission
- Do not watch television.
- Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
- Do not listen to the radio.
- Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CDs.
- Do not participate in musical groups.
- Do not participate in athletic teams.
- Do not sponsor athletic teams.
- Do not engage in contact sports.
- Do not engage in water sports.
- Do not engage in winter sports.
- Do not engage in motorcycling.
- Do not engage in horseback riding.
- Do not engage in mountain climbing.
- Do not embark on a private boat.
- Do not embark in a private airplane.
- Do not handle firearms.
- Do not handle explosives.
- Do not swim.
- Do not play full court basketball.
- Do not play basketball in leagues.
- Do not play basketball in tournaments.
- You may play half-court basketball.
- Never be alone.
- Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
- Be loyal to your companion.
- Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesnt obey the rules.
- Pray with your companion every day.
- Study with your companion every day.
- Plan your work with your companion every day.
- Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
- Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
- Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
- Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
- Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
- Do not arise before your companion.
- Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
- Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
- Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
- Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
- Do not flirt.
- Do not date.
- Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
- Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
- Try to teach single investigators in a members home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
- Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
- Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
- Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
- Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
- Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
- Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
- Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
- Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
- Do not telephone parents
- Do not telephone relatives.
- Do not telephone friends.
- Do not telephone girlfriends.
- Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
- Take problems and questions to your mission president.
- Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
- Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
- Obey all mission rules.
- Obey the laws of the land.
- Do not get involved in politics.
- Do not get involved in commercial activities.
- Do not give any information about the area.
- Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
- Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
- Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
- Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
- Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
- Be courteous.
- Provide community service.
- Do not provide community service that isnt approved by your mission president.
- Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
- Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidaysthose are peek proselytizing times.
- Your mission president must approve your housing.
- Keep your housing unit clean.
- Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
- Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
- Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
- You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
- Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
- Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
- Maintain your health.
- Eat a healthy diet.
- Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
- Follow the approved exercise program.
- Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
- Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
- Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
- Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
- Be immunized.
- Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
- Budget your money carefully.
- Keep a record of what you spend.
- Do not spend more than your companion.
- Do not loan money.
- Do not borrow money.
- Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
- Pay your bills before leaving an area.
- Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
- Do not waste money on souvenirs.
- Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
- Be a frugal photographer.
- Do not accumulate excess baggage.
- Obey custom laws and regulations.
- Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
- Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
- Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
- Do not drive without a license.
- Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
- Do not drive members cars.
- Do not drive nonmembers cars.
- Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
- Use cars only on approved mission business.
- Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
- Be conscious of safety at all times.
- Drive defensively.
- Wear your seat belt.
- Pray for the Lords protection while driving.
- If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
- Do not tamper with the vehicles odometer.
- Know bicycle safety rules.
- Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
- Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
- Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
- Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
- Go directly to your new area when transferred.
- Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
- Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.
355
posted on
11/11/2012 6:05:40 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: DaveMSmith; metmom
Davy, that Bible your keep referring to has the answers you seek, yet do not seem to understand.
Psalm 19
King James Version (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
356
posted on
11/11/2012 6:06:46 PM PST
by
svcw
(Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
To: wintertime
... the hateful venom posted here.You SPOTTED that?
All this time I thought I was using the InvisibleText font!!!
Now you'll probably post a link pointing to it and I'll be all embarassed!
357
posted on
11/11/2012 6:07:38 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Saundra Duffy; metmom
Remember, the Rev. Billy Graham does not act like that. He entertained Mitt Romney and Glenn Beck, at different times, in his home. He supped with them. He discussed issues with them. He did not condemn them to hell. Actually Jesus condemns them to hell. Billy Graham is simply a pragmatist that likes to see his name in print..his compromise of the gospel is not new. It is his way of life.
I am studying the New Testament. Jesus tells many parables to help us get along better with each other and in life. He came down on the Pharisees for being snooty and creepy. He never condemned the little people like me.
Actually Jesus told parables to confuse people ...To stand silent and not warn those headed to hell that they have a false god, a false jesus is not loving it is hatred..
To: DaveMSmith
Whats Inmans? Not in my dictionary.
359
posted on
11/11/2012 6:10:18 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: DaveMSmith
Ill be lurking.
____________________________
Lurking is good kid...
Meanwhile go to a Christian bookstore and buy yopurself a Bible...
ah to read...
and dont just be reader and hearer but be a doer...
Believe what you read...
where shall I begin Nana...
good question anywhere but why not the begining
wheres the beginning Nana
another good question...
Where it says In the beginning...
study up grasshopper...
there’ll be a pop quiz...
you are one lucky grasshopper
you are now a student in the Flying Inman School for Grasshoppers who never learned about the One True God....
You have several dozen or so professors...
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