Posted on 08/08/2012 9:03:55 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
At least 1 million evangelical Christians took part in Saturday's annual "March for Jesus" in Sao Paulo, demonstrating the growing trend of Protestantism in Brazil.
With 123.2 million of 191 million Brazilians identifying as Catholic according to 2010 census data, the South American nation still holds the world's largest Catholic population, but adherents to the faith have been steadily declining over several decades, while Protestantism, particularly evangelical Christianity, has been on the rise.
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A liberal church produces liberal voters.
Catholics choose democrats because the church has bred them to be democrat voters, conservative churches do not create left-wing voters.
It's the "liberal" Catholic Church which is walking the walk. It's the "liberal" Catholic Church which is filing the lawsuits. It will be "liberal" Catholics paying the fines and eventually, going to prison.
I guess "conservative" churches can't figure out whether paying for artificial contraception is immoral.
I have watched this all my life, it took a couple of decades for me to see the pattern, the Catholic publicity push about a narrow social conservative issue, and then the Catholic vote helps elect the democrats again and implement the leftwing political agenda.
Obama does lose a lot of sleep over churches that produce 80% anti-Obama voters, he does not lose nearly as much sleep over one of his dependable constituencies having a dispute with him.
We're all ears.
Any "conservative" church that won't be paying for its employees contraceptive coverage?
Just us "liberal" Catholics that will fight this one?
LOL, Good luck Brazil, we pray that you move to an American style of Evangelical conservative.
Yes, uncounted millions of infants being murdered with the blessing of their "Christian" church does make for a comfortable, guilt free, society of murders. One can only hope Brazil is so lucky that they, too, can rejoice and sing songs of praise on Sunday even after sacrificing their own children to the god of uninhibited sex, right?
Thanks for that. It's a two-fer.
You've simultaneously addressed two questions which I raised upthread and which you previously ignored. Firstly, the question of whether artificial contraception is immoral (no, it's simply a "narrow social conservative issue") and secondly, the essential nature of "conservatism", of which you're clearly ignorant.
Catholics voted for abortion in 2008, as they normally do.
Evangelicals voted against it by 80%.
Prancing, preening, and public relations is one thing, but voting is where a Church’s politics is revealed.
Liberal churches produce liberal voters.
Same old ballet, same old Bolshoi.
Maybe you are hoping if you repeat it often enough someone, somewhere might believe it.
Meanwhile, from your posting history, I see no evidence that abortion is anything more to you than an issue to try to bash Catholics with. Picket and pray in front of a clinic, counsel a young expectant mother to change her mind in the issue, initiate a legal challenge against an abortionist, publicly confront a politician in the issue, get arrested, or do any one of the thousands of things the Church does every day to end abortion. Then, and only then, will you have any standing to criticize "Catholics" on this issue.
And, for the record, Catholics are Evangelical.
Gosh, wrong about the Catholic vote and Obama, wrong about my posting history (even of the last 24 hours), and wrong about Catholics being counted as part of the Evangelical vote.
2008 was a normal vote for Catholics.
Oh, and by the by, 54% of Catholics and 57% of other folks calling themselves Christian voted for King Barry, so pretending some sliver of a sliver of the overall Protestant population is different doesn't float. Just like trying to float the lie that contraception is any different than other forms of abortion doesn't float.
Whatever you want to say about Catholics, the fact is that Catholics are not now and never have been the majority in an election in this country. In national elections they are outnumbered by a minimum of three to one by Protestants and even in MA where the percentage of the population that is Catholic is greater than anywhere else they're outnumbered 1.5 to one. In most States they make up less than a quarter of the electorate. Of course, if Protestants all stay home on election day and let only Catholics vote, or if the ninety percent of the Congress that's always been Protestant takes orders from the few Catholics, that's different. Are you saying that the vast, indeed overwhelming majority, of Protestants do whatever Cafeteria Catholics and Catholics in Name Only tell them to? Didn't think so, but it's not the Catholic minority that runs this country, not by a long shot.
It's obvious that the majority of Evangelical/Fundamentalist/Old Fashioned/Baptist/Methodist exceptions to the facts are enjoying the powerful delusion they're under, all the while whistling past their own grave by pretending they're not like "those people". Seeing that makes the parable of the Publican much obvious to those who really want to follow Christ. I do hope those following the heresy of Core enjoy the deluding themselves into denying they have refused to take up their cross and follow Christ the minute they committed the same sin Eve committed when she, too, revised His Word to suit herself. The guilt free murder, and sex without responsibility are no doubt just peachy keen now, but it's awful to think how those same things are going to torture such folks forever when they finally hear what almost all such folks will hear unless they change their ways; "I never knew you" from the lips of Christ who they refuse to surrender to.
have a nice day
Well the Protestant vote did go democrat in 1932, 1936, and 1964.
The Catholic vote is a very dependable liberal vote.
In 2008 Protestants voted against Obama while Catholics voted for him, California has fallen under the influence and resulting politics of the Catholic vote as well.
Absolutely and totally untrue. But, I guess you could sliver out the non-Protestant Protestants, the sorta-Protestant Protestants, the Christmas and Easter Protestants, and pretend you were on to something. Unfortunately, if you're going to play that game you have to sliver out around 60% of Catholics in which case Catholics didn't vote for King Barry either.
But, I understand. It's tough to keep that joyful attitude to ongoing mass murder by contraception unless you point the finger at someone other then the den of vipers around you. Now enjoy the broad, easy, guilt free, highway you're on and just keep pointing fingers elsewhere. After all, taking up the cross and following Christ is a LOT tougher than revising the Word of God to suit yourself the same way Eve did.
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No, the election data is based on the entire category of ‘Protestant’ which includes Episcopalians, blacks, liberals, conservatives, all of them.
The category of Protestant voted 54% republican, while baptized Catholics, members of a single church, voted pro-abortion democrat by 54%.
We see the same division with Hispanic voters.
Let's do stay focused on distortions related to voting!!
Yes, let's do ignore the FACT that Protestants have murdered by contraception at least as many infants as have been aborted. Let's ignore that this has always been a Protestant country with a three to one or better ratio of Protestants to Catholics and it's still doing down the tubes very rapidly. Let's also ignore the fact that the"explosive" growth of "Evangelical Christians" is perfectly synchronized with the decline in marriage, the increase in illegitimate births, the increase in STDs of all kinds, the increase of divorce, and most especially let's ignore the FACT that divorce is at as high and by some accounts higher among "Evangelicals" than among Catholics.
Yes, let's play political games and ignore the most important reality. The reality that this "Protestant" nation is dominated by Protestants, run primarily by Protestants, and without a doubt declining due to the fact that Protestants are far more interested in rationalizing their behavior than to following Christ.
I understand why Protestants like to play such games. They can't possibly point to their impact on society and say anything positive so naturally they set out to prove that figures don't lie but liars figure.
Anathema
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Since we all still vote by secret ballot you are pulling those numbers out of.....well never mind, but for you to be right you have to accept someone's incomplete and probably highly unscientific sampling data and extrapolate it to your desired conclusion. I don't accept that so show us your data and how the demographic groups are determined because even if all Catholics had stayed home or voted for none of the above (like nearly 40% actually did) Obama would still have been elected by Protestant votes.
Well, Catholic immigration did have a profound on America’s politics and our destiny, Catholics still do what they can to vote in the changes that they desire for our once great nation.
Brazil is the world’s most Catholic nation, it was more than 93% Catholic when Kennedy was elected, Brazilians seem to have rebelled against Catholic liberalism, and moved to more conservative churches.
It seems weird for the pro-abortion Obama voters to be held up as the good guys and the 80% anti-abortion/anti-Obama voters to be attacked as evil, but I have seen this here before, it is a Catholic thing, something that they share with the atheists and other leftists.
Well, that is one way to go through life, pretend that exit polling and voting studies don’t exist and that no one has any idea how any group votes, not blacks, or females, or Catholics, or by what income, or education, or anything else, it is all unknown and unknowable, politics is operated purely in the dark.
Weee know nutting.
For all we know Evangelicals might be voting democrat and homosexuals voting 100% republican, heck, McCain may have gotten 96% of the black vote, Catholics may be fire breathing right wingers.
As usual, Protestants were far more concerned with rationalizing their comforts and favorite diversions than with anything even vaguely related to what they claim to believe. As usual, when they realize they've elected a magnificent piece of work like LBJ, Jimmy Carter or King Barry, they revert instantly to what their religion is built around. They immediately begin revising history, reinterpreting Scripture to suit whatever illusion makes them most comfortable, and pointing fingers at others rather than daring to quarrel with the nest of vipers they so enjoy spending time with.
For some reason, though, Protestant folks can't seem to learn simple math. Things like one plus one equals two, or that twenty percent of the population isn't the majority. I guess it's tough to run with a crowd that ignores their own murder of infants and still try to disguise the fact that such behavior isn't Christian by any stretch of the imagination. Still, you'd think people who want to hide in whatever lies they can massage out of statistics would at least not stumble over simple math like 20 < 80.?
Anathema.
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The fact is that Protestants voted pro-life in 2008 as they always do, republican, the only times that the Protestant vote has ever gone democrat in presidential elections was in 1932, 1936, and 1964.
The Catholic vote has only gone republican 6 times in our history, and only once against an incumbent democrat, in other words, the few times republicans have won their vote, it was in a simple, status quo vote.
I don’t know whether you think that the McCain/Palin ticket was the pro-abortion ticket in 2008, or that the majority of Protestants joined Catholics in voting pro-abortion Obama in 2008, but both of those are wrong.
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