Catholic Priest Says A Schoolgirl Who Went Missing In 1983 Was Kidnapped For Vatican Sex Parties

Business Insider International ^ | 5/22/12 | Michael Kelley

[marshmallow]

The Catholic Church's leading exorcist priest asserts that a Vatican employee's daughter thought to be buried in a mob boss's tomb was kidnapped for Vatican sex parties, reports Nick Pisa of the Daily Mail.

Father Gabriel Amorth, who was ordained in 1954 and has carried out more than 70,000 exorcisms, made the claim to Italian newspaper La Stampa as police examine the contents of mobster Enrico De Pedis's tomb for clues about the 1983 disappearance of 15-year-old Emanuela Orlandi.

Father Amorth, 85, noted that an archivist at the Vatican previously admitted to recruiting girls for parties and told La Stampa newspaper the he believes that Orlandi "ended up in this circle" and that the "case of sexual exploitation" led to her murder followed by "the hiding of her body," according to the Daily Mail.

[marshmallow]

So the fact that the perps happened to be clerics make this a discussion of religion?

What perps? This is an allegation.

Furthermore, there's no statement in the article which indicates that clerics were involved other than the one implicating the now deceased Vatican archivist. The Vatican has many lay employees and in fact, the linked Daily Mail article indicates that a foreign embassy to the Vatican was implicated.

One can argue either way where this should be posted. I post articles on all matters Catholic and I post them to the religion forum as a matter of course, as you'll see if you scroll down the thread.

Glad you found it.

[trailhkr1]

Does seem a bit far fetched, does it not?

Far fetched? The church having pedo's in it's mist and covering it up for decades..these people are supposed to be above the crowd.

Would not surprise me in the least. As another poster mentioned there is probably much more we do not know about.

[Cronos]

it comes from the Daily Mail — the Brit version of the enquirer.

[Mr. Lucky]

And yet the Protestant reformers were mere choirboys compared to the Borgia and Medici clans they were protesting. Perhaps you should leave 16th Century disputes in the 16th Century and deal with the problems facing the 21st Century Church.

[Cronos]

There are some folks who don’t read, just react. They don’t read the Bible, just give their guesses on what it is — and then they lecture Catholics/Orthodox/Lutherans etc. on their rot. When you point out to them how little they read or know, they get huffy and jump away.

[Cronos]

err.. do read the post above yours by marshmallow

Furthermore, there's no statement in the article which indicates that clerics were involved other than the one implicating the now deceased Vatican archivist. The Vatican has many lay employees and in fact, the linked Daily Mail article indicates that a foreign embassy to the Vatican was implicated.

jumping to conclusions isn't heathy...

[johngrace]

I am not really into comparing but when I see that people made Martin Luther into something he is not. Also people qoute him when talking about that he was so "pure" is astonishing.

Also I have watched and read white washed stories on him. That this myth is still around is amazing. Also it is relevant since he started this lie of invincibly saved onced always nonsense.

Hitler loved to qoute Martin Luther.

[Cronos]

Sorry, john, but your post was incorrect. I don't like Luther for theological reasons and for his personal flaws, but the other stuff about him is hyperbole

Especially the anti-semitic piece.

he was not an anti-semite in the racial sense -- he wanted to convert the Jews and initially thought he would be able to convince them (egotism was one of his flaws), but then got embittered when he failed. If a person converted, he didn't hate that guy for being born a Jew.

The Nazis took Luther's diatribes and made them into a racial statement

Luther had a towering intellect, but also towering flaws -- he was very Germanic in the sense of capable of deep piety and also pig-headedness

I see no point in talking about 16th century men's flaws to deals with matters of today

firstly, this article is not about clergy but seems to be about foreign diplomats -- ignore the sensational title

[Mr. Lucky]

John, you’ll be much relieved to know that the “once saved, always saved” notion is contrary to Lutheran doctrine. (which on this point can be found at paragraph 7, Article XII of the Augsburg Confession)

[stormer]

Did you read the comment I was responding to? What is far fetched is that this priest claims he averaged over three exorcisms a day since his ordination. Sorry, I just don’t buy it...

[editor-surveyor]

The issues here are only pertinant to the general lack of respect that the Vatican tends to have for the rule of law, not to catholics at large.
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[editor-surveyor]

Kind of like Wilt Chamberlain’s claimes about his sex life, huh?
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[stormer]

Pretty much...

[johngrace]

Sorry I always read the puff light bio on this man. I did download Dave Armstrong’s take but never got to read it yet. I also got a great bio( as put by the praise on the cover) at used bookstore but that is in storage in another state.

[johngrace]

I believe it means he was involved with exoricisms not the sole person only. If I remember reading right he had a team of exorcists with him. He was the head of the team.

Also from what I read they came from all over the world so they were already diagnosed to be possessed. I remember in the books that he did it all day long because of the horrible need of the victims.

Whatever it is worth but wikipedia has this in the numbers.

In October, 2000, he said he had performed over 50,000 exorcisms (which ranged from "a few minutes" to "several hours" in length[3]) meaning he averaged close to ten exorcisms per day during his career up to the year 2000. In March 2010, he claimed that number had increased to 70,000.[4] The math for this claim plays out as such: 70,000 exorcisms/(365days*24yrs) = roughly 8 exorcisms per day on average from 1986-2010, which is a conceivable answer............

Fr. Amorth offers the following guidelines to those exercising the charism of exorcism. Any such person must be highly regarded for his prayer life, faith, acts of charity and judgment. In addition he must rely solely on the Word of God and traditional prayer, be completely detached from monetary concerns, profoundly humble and treasure obscurity.[7] "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give." Matthew 10:8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriele_Amorth

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

Thanks for #55

[johngrace]

Ditto back!

Praise Jesus!!

[AnalogReigns]

Do you know the real Martin Luther?

Actually, yes, I've done masters degree work in Wittenberg Germany, so yes, I do know the "real" Martin Luther. No, not an angel, but neither was he the devil that Roman Catholic revisionist history teaches.

Whatever you think of Luther, it is a fact--acknowledged even by the most biased Roman Catholic historians--that the popes of his day were incredibly corrupt, and did indeed engage in all kinds of debauchery.

[AnalogReigns]

How sad that your post shows no understanding of context of Luther's words, nor the wisdom of anything he said....only undigested, out of context quotes....which amount to half-truths.

Virtually ALL Christians of the 16th Century had no concept of religious tolerance. More importantly though, for anyone to be scandalized by Protestant intolerance--given the horrendous Roman Catholic intolerance at the time, is more than a little of a pot calling a kettle black.

Chief among ALL the persecutors of that era--BY FAR--was the Church of Rome, the single most powerful, wealthy, and corrupt, institution of Europe.

Just one incident can put things in perspective:

The Saint Bartholomeuws Day Massacre, of August 24, 1572.

Between 10,000 and 100,000 were murdered by Roman Catholic authorities.

Let me repeat that: AT LEAST 10,000 French protestant civilians...unarmed, men, women and children, WERE SYSTEMATICALLY MURDERED by Roman Catholic authorities.

Pope Gregory XIII was so pleased at what was done, he actually struck a medal to memorialize the event:

So please, do not wail about Protestant intolerance.

[AnalogReigns]

In fact Roman Catholic intolerance directly affected the first European settlement in North America, Fort Caroline, near what is now St. Augustine Florida.

In 1565 hundreds of French Protestants were systematically wiped out by Spanish conquistador Menéndez--specifically for refusing to re-convert to Rome--at what is now Fort Matanzas. Menéndez then established St. Augustine.

A National Monument to that event exists there today--you can read about it here.