Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock
God freely lavishes His grace on us. There’s no Scripture that says that grace is dispensed in packets called sacraments.
“It isn’t “my” way at all! What does God say? It appears that no matter how many times the canard is disputed that “Protestant” denominationalism means thousands of different interpretations of Scripture, people such as you refuse to hear it and actually think about and throw it up at every opportunity. It is intellectually dishonest and those who use it - even after being corrected - prove that they have no genuine interest in dialog and only participate to try to get the better of another. When comments such as yours start being ignored, you will know why.”
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Okay, then explain why God speaks of oneness of belief
in Scripture?
Explain Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one Faith, one Baptism
There is always the hope of Salvation. I am absolutely sure that many, many of the Catholics I have known have made it. I am equally sure that more than a few of the Protestants I have know who brashly proclaimed their own Salvation fell short. The truth of such things is known only to God.
Peace be to you.
The actions or lack thereof of a young Jewish girl would hardly stop or frustrate the will of the Almighty from being accomplished.
“Mary of course, in a much greater way. ~Co-~ means WITH.”
Actually the prefix “co” indicates a partnership or joint participation as in “co-owner, co-editor” etc.
Mary didn't do any redeeming or buying back of mankind nor could she.
When is this nonsense going to stop? The Church declares that in its doctrines Mary is the Co-redemptrix and then very specifically and unambiguously defines the term. Then some non-Catholics jump in and say "no that isn't what you mean!".
Such comments aren't even worth refuting, especially when the offer has been made numerous times to explain the teaching and the offenders have opted for continued ignorance. I do pity them and pray that the gift of wisdom and understanding be given them if not the gift of knowledge. I also pray that I get the gift of patience to continue to suffer the fools.
Peace be with you.
There's the certainty, unless you want to try to tell us that the Apostle John lied to us.
1 John 5:9-15 9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that he has borne concerning his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. 11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life. 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.
Or perhaps you are going to claim that Jesus lied to us?
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.
John 10:27-29 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
Hebrews 11:1-2 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Faith is taking God at his word about spiritual realities.
If someone doesn't believe that what God says is true, they don't have faith in Him.
CYC: The actions or lack thereof of a young Jewish girl would hardly stop or frustrate the will of the Almighty from being accomplished.
God didn't give every person He created free will? Why bother sending the archangel Gabriel? Where does the "lack there of" apply to Mary?
Mary of course, in a much greater way. ~Co-~ means WITH.
Actually the prefix co indicates a partnership or joint participation as in co-owner, co-editor etc.
Exactly, Mary's free will choice, her "joint participation" in, another word "with" the Trinity's plan for mankind's redemption.
Mary didn't do any redeeming or buying back of mankind nor could she.
A person's prayers never helps "with" the salvation of far away loved ones or helps "with" something temporal here? Yes they do. How come our actions in helping Our Lord, our prayers are fine but Mary saying "yes" I will watch My Son die a terrible tortured death doesn't count? Which shows more of a cooperation in God's plan? Thank Mary, it would please Our Lord very much, reject the anti-Mary belief.
“When is this nonsense going to stop? The Church declares that in its doctrines Mary is the Co-redemptrix and then very specifically and unambiguously defines the term. Then some non-Catholics jump in and say “no that isn’t what you mean!”.
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I think it’s to denigrate Mary because of upbringing.
Change is a very good thing when it’s positive. It’s also a sign of maturity.
The Eucharist, to love and honor Mary, give her your heart too, it can be Jesus and Mary.
AND Confession to priest.
Three majors!!!!! You will make it through to the 7th
Day.
Who are "those" exactly?
Another excellent example of "Do as I say, not as I do."?
"That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word"
No she wasnt. If she was sinless she wouldnt have needed a savior. She knew she was a sinner in need of a savior.
So Catholicism isnt for everybody ey? Dont Catholics claim to be the only true body of Christ? I wonder what Jesus would say about locking those dull witted out of His grace and promise of salvation? How revealing that you would make a comment like that.
Yes
>>Would God simply give to each person of good will a silent inner conviction of being saved?<<
Yes. The peace that passes all understanding.
>>Each time that we felt the need of divine help, would we simply ask for it and immediately feel welling up within us a great surge of spiritual strength?<<
Yes
>>A Sacrament is an ~ outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace.<<
Nonsense. A sacrament is an outward symbolism of something that has already happened.
Fell short? So a person does earn or deserve salvation by his actions? You cant fall short if Christ already gave you salvation and you trusted in that. Only through your own actions can you fall short because Christ did not fall short. Please dont tell us that Catholics dont believe the man must through his own actions earn or deserve salvation when so often you show that you believe he must.
Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
amen and amen!
After the great warning? Ive got news for you. The warning has already been given.
Good work on your link! I “favorited” it.
You should go brush up on your Strunk & White. "Those" is the plural of "that". It is a plural pronoun used to narrowly specify the subject. "They" is a general plural pronoun used widely and inclusively refer to the subject. The two words are not interchangeable.
Unlike the general reference to Catholics you are alluding to, my reference was to the specific group who are either too intellectually incapable, too intellectually lazy or are too intellectually dishonest to learn the actual teachings of the Church before spouting off.
This is not another case of "Do as I say, not as I do", it is another prime example of the attempted interpretionan original intent without a firm grasp of the linguistic concepts and meanings involved.
Peace be with you.
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