Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock
pt: Funny, I can't find where Jesus made such a qualification, despite the quotation marks.... Fix that and I'll bother with the rest of your epistle.
For all Catholics bragging about how much Scripture they're exposed to in mass, they sure demonstrate an appalling ignorance of it.
John 17:20-26 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. 24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26 I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.”
boatbums
“1 Cor. 12:10, “To another (man, person),....” not to the whole congregation, not to the whole church but an individual person. Paul was speaking of individual persons (1 Cor.12:7), “But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal”
You are speaking the truth.”
THE ABOVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT CYC STATED INITIALLY. WHY? YOU CAN’T SHOW ANYWHERE IN SCRIPTURE PRIVATE JUDGMENT, SCRIPTURE REJECTS PRIVATE JUDGMENT.
boatbums
“Funny that our new FRiend has no qualms about posting the various “prophecies” of his “prophets” - even one who is claimed to be for the “Protestants” - but he disputes the specific gifts God said he gave to the church, to build up his body of believers claiming that only “his” Roman Catholic Church hierarchy has that gift. Funny thing about exclusionary doctrines, they usually come back to bite you in time.
YOU’RE NOT BEING NICE, TALK TO ME DIRECTLY. THE BIBLE CAME FROM THE CHURCH. GOD GAVE THE CHURCH THE GIFT TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURE NOT EVERY PERSON READING IT. IT’S BASIC AND LOGICAL.
YOUR WORDS ABOUT PROPHECY, DON’T REJECT CATHOLIC PROPHETS AND YOUR OWN PROPHETS. THE CATHOLIC MESSAGE FROM HEAVEN SPECIFICALLY STATED THE WORDS WRITTEN IN REVELATION 6:16-17 TO DESCRIBE THE GREAT WARNING.
THE PROTESTANT MESSENGER, JESUS TOLD SUSAN O’MARRA ON MAY 24TH, IT’S VERY IMPORTANT. THE “SUDDEN” AND “DEEP CHANGE”, GOD IS PERSONALLY GOING TO SHOW YOU AND ME, EVERY SOUL ON THE EARTH THE TRUE FAITH AND IT WILL BE SUDDEN, DURING THE GREAT WARNING.
JESUS HAS BEEN IN “YOUR MIDST” IN A SPECIAL WAY, IN THE EUCHARIST. JESUS IS SAYING TO YOU “OTHER GENERATIONS DID NOT WANT OR DESIRE” THE EUCHARIST, THE “HIGHER”, IS THE EUCHARIST, IT IS THE PINNACLE OF THE FAITH. OTHER GENERATIONS “COULD NOT RECEIVE” BECAUSE PROTESTANTISM CANNOT CONFECT THE EUCHARIST.
YOU GO “HIGHER” BECAUSE IT IS JESUS’ PRESENCE IN THE
EUCHARIST THAT SPIRITUALLY MATURES YOU. NON-CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS WILL ACCEPT THE EUCHARIST SOON BUT NOT ALL THOUGH...SADLY.
May 24, 2012
Jesus:
..You know this, for I have told you many times, but many still do not yield to Me. Many still do not grasp this great reality. FOR YOU ARE THE GENERATION IN WHICH I WILL BRING GREAT, AND SUDDEN, AND DEEP CHANGE. FOR YOU ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE SAID TO ME, “LORD COME.” AND I SAY TO YOU,
MY CHILDREN, I HAVE COME AND I AM IN YOUR MIDST. But you must open wide to Me. You must yield to Me completely. You must allow Me to bring change. You must allow Me to add to you those things I want to add, and to remove those things from you I want to remove. For as you move with Me, you will shift greatly and speedily, and completely. I will move you day by day, and you will look back and you will say, “Surely I did not know it would be this way.” For it shall be My way, saith the Lord. It shall be My way, and it shall be according to what I have written, and according to what I have told you would come. But do you understand the things that will be done? Do you understand the changes that will be in the heavens? The changes that will be in the earth? And the changes that will be in the church?
I say to you, look in the mirror, My Children, and see. See My reality! For I am revealed to you through the mirror of My Word. And if you will look into the mirror of My Word and ask Me to open it unto you, I shall open it new. I shall disclose to you those things that are true. Those things that have waited for their revealing, THAT OTHER GENERATIONS DID NOT WANT OR DESIRE, AND COULD NOT RECEIVE TO GO HIGHER. I say to you, My Children, you shall conceive, because you shall believe, and those that believe shall cleave to My Word, and My Word shall do it. For I am watching over My Word to perform it, saith the Lord. I am doing it in a manner and in a way that most of My People will not do and obey. I say to you, few, will look into My mirror and see My way. Because many do not yet want My way, but I cry out to you, My Church, everyday. Want My way! Look My way! Listen My way! Speak My way! Live My way! Hear My way! Obey My way! And everyday, more and more open to Me. I am your reality!...
http://www.ft111.com/eagles.htm
Yes you do, you defend Martin Luther’s heretical teachings instead of the Church.
In your dreams. Nobody follows Luther as you follow your pope.
Catholics are singularly incapable of thinking outside the box they have been brainwashed to think in.
Just because Catholics follow a man, they think that EVERYONE does. It's projection, plain and simple. Get it through your head. Just because there's agreement, doesn't mean it's following.
How ironic that Catholics continually accuse Protestants of being divided and in factions and yet continually accuse them of following one man (Luther or Calvin depending) just like they do.
There's clearly nothing that any Protestant can do or believe that's right in a Catholic's eyes.
Protestants are inconsistent in belief, proof, you make up new doctrines not taught by the Apostles besides
Such as?
What doctrines taught by the apostles do we believe? What did we make up?
Specifics please.....
Yeah, I know and it's not the only difference between EO and the RCC either.
Prove that grace is apportioned by the sacraments.
The Constitution is also a static document. It is dependent on a dynamic judicial organ to apply it in the spirit in which it was intended...a failure shared by both “our current mess” and Protestants in general.
Any parent knows what happens when they give their children a rule the child doesn’t like. Said child immediately attempts to find away around that rule.
Protestants just shop for “new parents” instead of submitting to the dynamic authority that won’t let them skirt the rules they don’t like.
Moreover, Protestants treat the Bible as the “note” left by their parents in the parents absence....subject to their own “interpretation” until Mom and Dad come home to adjudicate the child’s adherence to the instructions left in the note.
Believing every Tom, Dick, and Harry who comes down the pike and yet rejecting the divinely inspired, God breathed Scripture is a sure path to perdition.
Only a fool would toss aside *It is written...* in favor of the kind of drivel you’ve been posting, most of which makes NO sense at all.
“Don’t reject prophets”???
If I ever meet a real prophet, I won’t reject him. What I do reject and will continue to reject is the false teachings of the enemy who can disguise himself as an angel of light. People with no discernment are easy prey for that kind of deception.
You are being led astray following those people and believing everything they say. Go to the word, the same thing Jesus used.
“To another discerning of spirits. Comp. 1 John 4:1. This must refer to some power of searching into the secrets of the heart; of knowing what were a man's purposes, views, and feelings. It may relate either to the power of determining by what spirit a man spoke who pretended to be inspired, whether he was truly inspired or whether he was an impostor, or it may refer to the power of seeing whether a man was sincere or not in his Christian profession. That the apostles had this power, is apparent from the case of Ananias and Sapphira, (Acts 5:1-10,) and from the case of Elymas, Acts 13:9-11. It is evident that where the gift of prophecy and inspiration was possessed, and where it would confer such advantages on those who possessed it, there would be many pretenders to it; and that it would be of vast importance to the infant church, in order to prevent imposition, that there should be a power in the church of detecting the imposture.”
But you say,
“Wrong. The discerning of spirits is not the gift “to distinguish between true and false writings.” I need to check, there is a word for the Church’s divine gift from God to interpret Scripture.”
Well, I know what that word is but you go back to your website and see if it's there, I'll wait right here, and while there see if you can find a better explanation than what I gave, something a bit better than,
“Private Judgment is heresy.” I'm waiting.
Unfortunately for you, the passage you quote does not support the "unity of spirit" caveat you wish it to.
It supports MY contention.
If it didn't, I would not have walked away from over twenty years as an Evangelical.
That's right. And I know my Bible, too. Well enough to see you handle citations like a kid faking a foreign accent.
Talk about someone who can't think outside a box....
You continue to mock me personally, I forgive you.
Removing books from the Canon of Scripture is “removing books from the Bible.”
Martin Luther had no authority to take them out, he went
with the wrong much earlier group, saying they did the same. God doesn’t direct heretics and apostates. The
Palestinian Jews also rejected the Gospel.
And who said Martin Luther removed anything from the New Testament? He WANTED TO but was stopped. He despised the Book of James, it conflicted with his false teaching, faith alone.
I would suggest, read the quotes of the first Christians and think about authority.
The fact Protestants push the "born again" dogma, yet reject the Eucharist when the scriptural emphasis on the Body and Blood is far more pronounced.
“For all Catholics bragging about how much Scripture they’re exposed to in mass, they sure demonstrate an appalling ignorance of it.”
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There’s no brag. You can’t get too much Scripture. You are
pridefully saying you have more knowledge of it. How can
that be? Without the RCC, you would not have Scripture.
Catholics humbly accept the Church, her interpretation of
Scripture. What about you? How can God the Holy Spirit
guide Protestants into so many interpretations, by the
thousands~@? Look how you all argue in this one little
thread.
And making false accusations about rejecting Scripture doesn't lead there, too?
Catholics don't reject Scripture. We reject your notion that God changed his mind on how his Church should operate and delegate authority.
That was a quote, padre.
Note that it references Moses (and his seat) functioning as a Judge, not a teaching authority.
Exo 18:13 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.
Exo 18:14 And when Moses' father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?
Exo 18:15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
Exo 18:16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.
Exo 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.
And thou shalt teach...Yes, Moses was THE teaching authority...How can you even make a statement like you make with this staring you in the face???
Or perhaps you quote from your Catholic sources and don't bother to look and see what God says about it...
The word you’re hunting for Charismata, from The Catholic Enyclopedia:The Greek term charisma denotes any good gift that flows from God’s benevolent love (charis) unto man; any Divine grace or favour, ranging from redemption and life eternal to comfort in communing with brethren in the Faith (Romans 5:15, 16; 6:23; 11:29). The term has, however, a narrower meaning: the spiritual graces and qualifications granted to every Christian to perform his task in the Church: “Every one hath his proper gift [charisma] from God; one after this manner, and another after that” (1 Corinthians 7:7 etc.). Lastly, in its narrowest sense, charisma is the theological term for denoting extraordinary graces given to individual Christians for the good of others. These, or most of these, are enumerated by St. Paul (1 Corinthians 12:4, 9, 28, 30, 31), and form the subject-matter of the present article. They are: “The word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, faith, the grace of healing, the working of miracles, prophecy, the discerning of spirits, diverse kinds of tongues, interpretation of speeches” (1 Corinthians 12:8-10). To these are added the charismata of apostles, prophets, doctors, helps, governments (ibid., 28).”
“That was a quote, padre.”
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Forgive me, I mistook you for a non-Catholic Christian. So many responses.
I love your quote, if only they would believe, all the
other misunderstandings about the faith would be answered.
“The fact Protestants push the “born again” dogma, yet reject the EUCHARIST when the scriptural emphasis on the Body and Blood is far more pronounced.”
Well of course it's a metaphor...Did you think Jesus was speaking of a polished mahogany, gold inlaid throne that the Pharisees passed from generation to generation like your religion does???
The 'seat' was wherever Moses sat down (or stood) to teach and judge the Tribes of Israel...
And it can be found all over the OT...
I would say no more than a handful...
You forgot to answer the last clause.....
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