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To: GiovannaNicoletta
“As described in Genesis 12, the Jewish people, as descended from Abraham, make up the nation of Israel. The literal, physical nation of Israel is made up of an ethnic people, descended from one man, known as the Jewish people.”

Surely you know that those who adhere to faith are the ones who are Abraham's seed, said Paul. (Gal.3:7)
Thus being Greek, Jew, slave, freeman, male, female was of no matter, you are all one person in Christ. (Gal. 3:28)
Moreover if you belong to Christ you are really Abraham's seed, heirs of a promise.(Gal. 3:29)

Paul thus identifies who makes up that nation that was to come from Abraham and being Jewish or not was irrelevant.

“There is no secret”? Paul said there was and he spoke by God's spirit did he not?

Paul spoke by revelation from God and it God's view point he was giving about who was being recognized now as a “seed of Abraham”.

And that sacred secret?

(Eph. 3:5,6) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.
That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

After so saying Paul applies the promises made to Abraham and Isaac to the Jerusalem above, not to the then existing fleshly nation of Israel.

So being part of that “literal, physical nation Israel” meant nothing when it comes to who are children of God,

” the children of the flesh are not really the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.” (Romans 9:8)

“No Gentiles will be part of the nation of Israel that exists during the millennial kingdom and which has been saved and reconciled to their God and who will, as God states, have His law written on their hearts.”

Paul disagrees. (Romans 9:8)

“The fact that there are Gentiles who take Jesus up on His offer of salvation does not overlap God's purpose and plans for Israel and the Jewish people, nor does that fact replace Israel in God's economy. The two are mutually exclusive, and separate. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.”

Again Paul disagrees. That which God calls Israel is made up of fleshly Jews and Gentiles and this Israel is heir to the promises. (Eph. 3:5,6)

“As we know, Israel does not at this present time possess all the land that God promised them, and we know from Scripture that when Israel fulfills the New Covenant during the millennial kingdom, they will be given and live in the land, not Heaven, that God promised them.”

Paul wrote that “the Jerusalem above is free and she is our mother” (Gal.4:26) Hence their “citizenship exists in the heavens” (Phil 3:20) “You have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem and myriads of angels.” (Heb. 12:22)

“Israel at this present time” was the result of U.N. mandate not any covenant relationship with God unless you are trying to say that nation is a continuation of the ancient Israel or the Israel of Jesus’ day.

It is from heaven that Christ will rule as the promise made to David is fulfilled. Christ sits at the right hand of God. (Acts 2:29-35)

Time after time the Scriptures make clear God will keep all his promises to Israel and shows us who this Israel is as defined by God.

124 posted on 05/18/2012 9:47:54 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Those who know Christ as Savior are the spiritual seed of Abraham and they have their place in the plan of God. They are the spiritual seed of Abraham because salvation was offered first to the Jews, who are the actual seed of Abraham and are in the spiritual condition and have the relationship with Christ that He intended for the Jews to have.

The physical seed of Abraham is an identifiable, ethnic group of individuals who are separate from the Church and to whom promises have been made and to whom those promises will be kept.

Now if you continue to insist on denying this truth, in the face of Scripture that has been given to you that shows that God has made promises to this specific group of people who are not the Church, then it is up to you to demonstrate how those Scriptures that have been given to you are false and explain to God where you feel you get the authority to decide that those parts of Scripture that detail His plans for His chosen people are false.

It is up to you to explain how you have the omniscience to deny what God has said, and substitute your own finite, fallen "wisdom" for what God has said is going to happen. The fact that you embrace a doctrine that is in total contradiction with the word of God and is therefore demonic and you refuse to accept the truth you have been given puts you in an extremely dangerous place

And, after all of this, and after you have had repeated opportunities to accept the Bible as God wrote it, even though you don't like it the way God wrote it, you are back to where you began: denying the Word of God, and spiritualizing that which God wrote as literal, and lying about who God is and what He has said and promised. After all this, we are back to the base truth, that those who will call God a liar and say that He deceives people and breaks His promises are described beautifully in God's Book:

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. (1 Corinthians 2:14)

I'll refer you to post 30 so that you can see the actual danger you have chosen to put yourself in. Denial of Scripture carries a very high price.

Good luck.

125 posted on 05/18/2012 11:09:10 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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