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Lost in this back and forth between one consistent and confident person with 100% of the facts on his side (BroJoeK) and one of the hundreds of scientfically illiterate FReepers (annalex),was this comment by annalex:

[BroJoeK keeps posting] "irrelevant detail, verbosity, and silly illustrations."

Which demonstrates the "other half" of the creationist brain - the half not wadded up with creationist dribble. It's the half that can't comprehend the details and the actual science involved in actual science. Their level of understanding of how much work and how many years goes into each and every new discovery is essentially zero.

Those "silly ilustrations" are anything but, and your hand-waving dismissal of them shows your true failing: This stuff is hard. This stuff uses big words. I can't handle it. God.

The only thing more pathetic is the fact that Free Republic has driven almost every scientifically literate person away in the last 10 years. Bravo to you, BroJoeK, Bravo.

the half not wadded up with creationist dribble

Yes, thank you for noticing that. My problem with evolutionary hypothesis that is is bad science.

the half that can't comprehend the details and the actual science involved in actual science

I am not a dumb man, have an applied math degree, and worked all my life gainfully employed in engineering. I can understand a scientific theory when I see one. If you have a logical proof from evidence I will recognize it. When I hear voodoo that masquerades as science I can tell that as well.

When someone who believes that nonsense repeatedly tells me a story about selection of subspecies -- something no one has disputed to be a fact, -- then varnishes it with irrelevant count of some mutations that may or may not have contributed to the selection, which in the lab could have been produced without them, -- then it becomes clear, with repetition, that the actual science is not there, and, further, plain logic is not there. There is a script being read. It's a cult.

It is good that you come to support a fellow Freeper though. The forum benefits from multi-faceted conversations.

whattajoke: "Bravo to you, BroJoeK, Bravo."

Thanks so much for your very kind words, I hugely appreciate them.

My schedule sometimes allows adequate time to do a thought-out response here, and that's time I enjoy and consider well spent.

When you consider my arguments in larger context, remember I am making the case for something called "theistic evolutionism", and that is the teaching of most Christian denominations.
So this is not "believer versus anti-believer".

Curiously, annalex continues to pretend that his (I assume "his" not "her") views are not based on religion, but rather on pure science.
I don't believe that for a second, and I'm anticipating this now lengthy discussion will eventually bring out the truth of it.

Anyway, thanks again!