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To: Colofornian

“The uncompromising attitude is more indicative of an inner uncertainty than of deep conviction. The implacable stand is directed more against the doubt within than the assailant without.” Eric Hoffer


44 posted on 04/23/2012 12:45:54 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: Sea Parrot
The uncompromising attitude is more indicative of an inner uncertainty than of deep conviction.

 



 
"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."
(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)
 
 
 
Reinforced here......
 

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."
 

 
Don't criticize?

 
 
 
 
And here:
 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
 
 
 
 


Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said    WHATEVER    but that's NOT the same as criticizing!


 
( Remember fellow Christians:  the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )



59 posted on 04/23/2012 5:20:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Sea Parrot; lu shissler; Biggirl; Elsie
Eric Hoffer

Two quotations from Sea Parrot from Hoffer, posts 9 & 44...

Lu Shissler then chimes in, post #38: You are so right, Eric

And so, we have these FREEPERs reaching all the way to that long "bastion" of conservatism, San Francisco, to draw its deemed "sage" advice...yes, even sagely San Francisco longshoremen like Eric Hoffer...

Let's see...what was Hoffer's worldview of the oppressed again? Oh, yeah:
"It is doubtful if the oppressed EVER fight for freedom. They fight for pride and for power--power to oppress others. The oppressed want above all to imitate their oppressors; they want to retaliate."

Source: Eric Hoffer, The True Believer, 1951

No, the oppressed never really fight for freedom, sayz a fave authority figure of Sea Parrot (& Sea Parrot's "Amen" choir, Lu Shissler).

But, wait a minute...what if Hoffer is right? What if the "minority" religionists & minority pagans we see come into FR indeed feel "oppressed" by the majority Christian religion? What if we apply Hoffer's "authoritative" worldview to them???

Well, that would mean when Sea Parrot sayz: I get so bloody tired of this; my religion, faith and creed, is the only true religion, faith and creed and is is better than your evil stupid religion, faith and creed... (post #9) it probably means at least a feeling of religious oppression is going on here (not actual oppression, but at least a feeling of it)...SO then, per Hoffer,

"It is doubtful if the [religiously] oppressed EVER fight for freedom. They fight for pride and for power--power to oppress others. The oppressed want above all to imitate their oppressors; they want to retaliate."

So, is that it, Sea Parrot & Lu? Are you really oppressed on FR? ... And...therefore...what you're really fighting for w/your keyboard here is for "pride and for...power to oppress others"??? And for the opportunity to express that inward desire -- that <"want" -- "to retaliate"???

Has Hoffer managed to psychoanalyze you -- and you didn't even know it???

Hmmm...I guess Hoffer could be right once in a while, after all! [Tho that use of "EVER" in that quote above ... from somebody so supposedly "tuned in" to San Francisco-style tolerance, should have certainly known better to refrain from such ignorant-sounded absolutes!!!!]

64 posted on 04/23/2012 9:31:03 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Moutm when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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