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To: CynicalBear

You wrote:

“Oh really?”

Yes, really.

“Jeremiah castigates the people for making offerings to the queen of heaven.”

Those were pagans, not Christians. The queen of heaven they made offerings to was not the Virgin Mary. Again, there are no demonstrable connections between the Virgin Mary and pagan stories. You’re just proving my point for me.

“And isn’t it interesting that the concept of Mary being the “mother of God” was declared in Ephesus where Diana was worshiped as the “queen of heaven”. We find the pressure put on the Apostles from Ephesus in Acts 19.”

No concept was declared in Ephesus. At the COUNCIL of Ephesus, the DOCTRINE of Mary as the Theotokos was defined. As every orthodox Christian knows and acknowledges, Jesus is God, and Mary is His mother, therefore, Mary is the mother of God. Holding the council in Ephesus merely showed that paganism had been crushed by Christianity.

“Incorporating pagan symbols, rituals, and practices seems to be the Catholic Churches way to placate those who it wants to become members.”

Demonstrate that there is a connection between the Virgin Mary and pagan stories. Otherwise, everything else you say is just another anti-Catholic failure.

“There are other references to the “queen of heaven” concept in pagan religions which God called an abomination. Now would you find that concept contained in anything the Apostles or Jesus taught?”

Yes. They knew Jesus was a king. What do you call the mother of a king? A queen.

I knew you would fail to show ANY demonstrable connection between the Virgin Mary and pagan stories. You’ll keep failing too.


75 posted on 04/23/2012 8:24:26 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; CynicalBear

>> “Those were pagans, not Christians. The queen of heaven they made offerings to was not the Virgin Mary” <<

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Anyone who prays to “the virgin Mary” as queen of heaven or anything else is a pagan whether they know it or not. We are given prayer access to the Father only, and that solely in the name of his only begotten Son, Yeshua Hamachiac.

There is no other contact allowed, and there is no dead human that is consious of your prayers anyway; its the fallen ones that answer your contra-biblical prayers, if at all.
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76 posted on 04/23/2012 8:33:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: vladimir998
>>What do you call the mother of a king? A queen.<<

No, the wife of a king is the queen. The only time his mother is also queen is if his father was king before him.

>>I knew you would fail to show ANY demonstrable connection between the Virgin Mary and pagan stories. You’ll keep failing too.<<

The only reference to the “queen of heaven” in scripture is pagan. The only women who were designated queen in scripture were if their husband was king. God the Father calls Israel His wife and Jesus bride is the church. The idea of the “queen of heaven” concept is a human construct of pagans and Catholics.

93 posted on 04/24/2012 5:14:52 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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