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To: vladimir998; CynicalBear

>> “Those were pagans, not Christians. The queen of heaven they made offerings to was not the Virgin Mary” <<

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Anyone who prays to “the virgin Mary” as queen of heaven or anything else is a pagan whether they know it or not. We are given prayer access to the Father only, and that solely in the name of his only begotten Son, Yeshua Hamachiac.

There is no other contact allowed, and there is no dead human that is consious of your prayers anyway; its the fallen ones that answer your contra-biblical prayers, if at all.
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76 posted on 04/23/2012 8:33:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor; vladimir998; CynicalBear

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


77 posted on 04/23/2012 8:34:26 PM PDT by narses
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To: editor-surveyor

You wrote:

“Anyone who prays to “the virgin Mary” as queen of heaven or anything else is a pagan whether they know it or not.”

False. Pagans worship those other than God. No Catholic worships Mary. We pray to her through the power of Christ and ask for her prayers before the Lord. There is no worship involved on our part.

“We are given prayer access to the Father only, and that solely in the name of his only begotten Son, Yeshua Hamachiac.”

Christ shares His offices with His saints. That’s why He, the supreme judge, will allow saints to judge fallen angels at the end of time. (1 Cor. 6:3) Most anti-Catholics are too biblically illiterate to know that, of course.

“There is no other contact allowed, and there is no dead human that is consious of your prayers anyway; its the fallen ones that answer your contra-biblical prayers, if at all.”

The saints are alive in God. You make the same error as the Sadducees. Mark 12:24. Siding with the Sadducees is not a good sign.


79 posted on 04/23/2012 8:40:52 PM PDT by vladimir998
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