Posted on 03/16/2012 11:30:32 AM PDT by Monorprise
All other things being equal where would religious marriage would begin: 1: First Sexual encounter (between parties).
2: First conception of a child (between parent parties).
3: First child birth (between parents parties).
4: Religious ceremony at the Church.
5: State Government Sanction.
6: Mutual personal commitment between the parties?
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I realize Marriage involves all of theses things. But supposing that they could happen out of order which one would start the marriage in the eyes of God, science, and most of all your personal opinion?
When she says your favorite chair is gone...
#1- in the eyes of god
I reckon
Is this serious? It I thought it weren’t I’d say “The first time in the bedroom when peanut butter, bananas and whip cream come into play”.
marriage is between one man and one woman, anything else is a sham marriage done to destroy marriage, the family and this country.
Oh and i wish I had a favorite chair in my house, I’m lucky if I get to sit down in one
Traditionally it’s at consummation (sex).
No sex, marriage isn’t valid. Even though the ceremony has been performed.
For me it was when I was told I couldnt go to my usual Friday Happy Hour after work.
so true,,, not only do women oddly hate recliners, but they insist on hogging the time normally used to sit in them,
Marriage is one man, one woman, one time. The practice of serial polygamy so prevalent in today's society (multiple spouses, one at a time) is a bigger sham than gay marriage because of the number of families and children adversely affected.
I made a vow to my wife, in the presence of my friends and a minister fifteen years ago, and have kept it. That is when my marriage began. Before that, I was a sinner and I still have sinful thoughts but, I'm happily and blessedly keeping my oath.
Are you saying that any marriage after a person’s first, then, is invalid? For whatever reason?
“The practice of serial polygamy so prevalent in today’s society (multiple spouses, one at a time) is a bigger sham than gay marriage because of the number of families and children adversely affected.”
NO way,, There is no freaking way that a divorce and remarriage is a bigger sham than two guys engaging in state sanctioned buggery. It’s surprising that you find divorcees remarrying (often with a newfound penetent attitude) as more offensive than two men,, unrepentedly sodomizing each other.
When your wife comes in and takes a dump while you’re brushing your teeth.
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“Is this serious?”
Yes this is indeed a serous question about the very nature of Marrage in the eyes of God, “logic”/science, and yourself.
The answer to theses questions from all 3 perspectives should be the first & perhaps last step in resolving the true meaning of marriage.
I think science/logic should resolve that marriage begins with the birth of your first child. After all if the propose of marriage is children then the first child is the place where it becomes indispensable thus the logically high priority place where it must be gain. #3
My own Personal opinion on the matters is up in the air which is why I made this thread to help me resolve that question.
Without your parenthetical, a lot of “marriages” happen without benefit of ceremony or commitment.
Marriage is a Biblically defined institution, and thus it’s a good idea to use that for the answer. The relevant scripture is Genesis 2:24, which implies a sexual union, though you could look at the first portion of this verse (”Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife...”) and interpret this ‘coming together’ as the act of marriage... the sexual part is indicated in most translations as coming afterward.
The Bible distinguishes between fornication and adultery, so it makes sense that the sexual act does not - in and of itself - constitute a marriage... Catholic teachings and traditions notwithstanding.
Regarding ceremonies: clearly these have changed over time, particularly since the State has stuck its nose in where it doesn’t belong. Again, because marriage is a God-defined institution, state involvement is irrelevant... though probably necessary for this day and age. In my opinion, a public declaration is important for the sake of the oaths.
It would depend on what you mean by marriage.
In a sexual sense, it is when we put our "yes" on the table to agreeing to possess another outside the boundaries of marriage. But in the larger sense, adultery occurs any time we seek to fill any desire outside the boundaries of how God has dictated such desires are to be fulfilled. It's more than just "sex" or "lust" as is implied when God brings the charge of adultery against the nation of Israel for joining herself with idols.
Under this definition it is easy to see how we break God's law more than we realize.
Here is probably the best sermon I've heard on the subject by Dr. Voddie Baucham.
"What Is Adultery, by Dr. Voddie Baucham
“A govt. can like/sanction it or not, a church can like/sanction or not, you can like/sanction it or not, I can like/sanction it or not but a marriage begins and ends when the parties agree it does.”
I am aware of this common perspective, which is why I asked for your opinion on the matter as an example of a party and/or potential party.
A women* who get's divorced because her husband beats the crap put of her every weekend and leaves his* sorry a** is a sham in God's eye?
*= replace with "man" a and "her" if you wish. Don't want to male bash ere.
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