Posted on 02/05/2012 12:26:56 AM PST by Cronos
Some of us never have had to "rediscover" this. We know as it's as clear as day from Scripture.
I hesitate to jump into these religion threads since they tend to become quite vicious, but my explanation to my Jewish friends about my thinking on the subject is that Jesus and later Paul opened the way for we barbarian gentiles to become Junior Auxiliary Jews. We are obliged to love, honor, and protect our elder brothers and sisters and pray for the day they see and understand what we see and understand about Yeshua Moshiach.
It's actually stunning to find out what most Jews think the New Testament says vs. what they find when they actually read it. And forbidding anyone to read it will only get you so far, Rabbi Schochet.
Is Titus only in the King James Bible?
“...but my explanation to my Jewish friends about my thinking on the subject is that Jesus and later Paul opened the way for we barbarian gentiles to become Junior Auxiliary Jews. We are obliged to love, honor, and protect our elder brothers and sisters and pray for the day they see and understand what we see and understand about...”
There are no ‘junior auxiliary Jews.’ There are non-Jews who also acknowledge G-d and fulfil His commandments (613 for Jews [oy what a challenge] and 7 for non-Jews.) By the way, a commandment in Hebrew (the language with which G-d ‘spoke’ and created the world) is ‘mitzvah’ [mits-va.] The root of this word hs a synonym, ‘to connect.’ So by fulfilling what is commanded of us, we connect to G-d.
Non-Jews...go ahead and keep ‘praying for the day...’ (and take a bit of time please to learn what G-d expects of you: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1313/jewish/Discovery-of-Planet-Earth.htm)
Jews, see the link I posted above and for questions, go ask you local orthodox rabbi or Chabad house.
Boteach (who is far more popular among Christians than Jews) defends his book this way:
http://www.gefenpublishinginisrael.com/2012/01/19/what-is-motivating-the-global-ban-on-kosher-jesus/
...Kosher Jesus goes back to the original gospel source materials to uncover the real story of Jesus and portray him for whom he was prior to later Christian editors significantly modifying the story to accommodate the Romans.
Jesus was, as many have argued before me, a Torah-observant Jew whose mission it was to restore Jewish observance fully among his Jewish brethren and fight Roman persecution. For doing so he was turned over by the Roman collaborator, High Priest Caiaphas, who owed his office to the Romans, and was murdered by the Roman prefect Pontias Pilate – the Saddam Hussein of the ancient world – for doing so.
Jesus was a martyr for his people who never claimed to be divine, who never changed the Torah, and who would be scandalized to see his teachings – nearly all of which I trace back to their earlier Jewish sources – misused to persecute his people.
It was Paul, who never met Jesus, who later deified him and said he came to get rid of Torah practice. But Jesus himself said the opposite, in Matthew 5:18, that anyone who does not keep the whole Torah would be cast out of heaven...
Heebow: Jewish Football Star
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNV7o9wONHg
Crank That Kosher Boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oYDBtCN-hk
Who are the many who have argued before you? JC seemingly tries to nullify (G-d forbid) the Torah. And that is from Christian sources....the Jewish ones are quite sharp in their descriptions of him.
The ones I know are all Christians, though some call themselves 'Messianic Jews'. Therein lies the problem...
A more likely version of the Jewish Jesus is a .pdf file at
http://koshertorah.com/PDF/Yeshu-HaNotzri.pdf
all of the speculation is unfortunately moot, unless someone discovers the original Hebrew /aramaic Matthew- which may never be found.
Sorry but this is the challenge with ‘revelation’ to one man versus revelation to an entire nation. This is what we crazy Jews point out all the time. It’s easier to find sacred texts when the entire nation heard the words of the text (in part, for example, the first two of the 10 commandments) directly from G-d.
It’s not in my Oxford Study Bible.
11For the grace of God has dawned upon the world with healing for all mankind; 12and by it we are disciplined to renounce godless ways and worldly desires, and to live a life of temperance, honesty, and godliness in the present age, 13looking forward to the happy fulfilment of our hope when the splendour of our great God and Saviour a Christ Jesus will appear. 14He it is who sacrificed himself for us, to set us free from all wickedness and to make us his own people, pure and eager to do good.Though verse 13 appears to be defective with an indefinite article inserted before Christ. It should read, "Our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." The language is a bit clunky overall.
Thanks....it’s only a couple of pages and I missed it.
Yeah, it’s a little bitty thing. Not as short as Philemon, though, but a lot of interesting verses.
The following two statements that you’ve made are erroneous: “It is my understanding that your mother must be Jewish for you to be considered Jewish.
If you’re not Jewish upon birth, you cannot become a Jew. You are considered a Jewish convert. Provided that you marry a Jewish woman, you’re children would become Jewish.”
Here are the facts Once anyone concerts to Judaism through an orthodox Jewish conversion, the person is a full-fledged Jew, considered to have received a new soul. The person’s father is called “Abraham,” and his mother “Sarah.” The person is as legally and spiritually Jewish as any Jew on the planet. Judaism does not let anyone remind the person that he/she is a convert. A common description of a convert to Judaism is the phrase “holy convert.’ The phrase even appears in our daily prayers. Converts are full Jews. Perhaps you are confusing a full orthodox conversion with some kind of lesser conversion, as through the Reform or Conservative Movements. Anyone would call a convert to Judaism a “convert” is not behaving according to Jewish law. The children of a female convert are as Jewish as any other Jew in the world and marry freely with offspring of even the most orthodox of Jews.
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