I suspect this will resonate with many on the GRPL.
Posted on 01/22/2012 2:16:36 PM PST by Gamecock
I suspect this will resonate with many on the GRPL.
I was raised a Roman Catholic, and he is 100% on the mark.
I found Christ in later life, or a better way of saying is that Christ found me.
I’m RC. I took a similar journey as the writer and ended up back in the Church but now read the Bible every day and have gone through it multiple times. I also greatly value the Christian radio I listen to which is all Protestant as well as the devotional daily reader that I use. But I have to be a Catholic. I don’t know whether it is my upbringing but I think it’s probably the Eucharist as well as the Tradition. It’s a bit like CS Lewis saying he had no choice - he had to pray. I’m in the flood and have to swim along as best I can. Mercat stands for Mere Catholicism which is a play on Mere Christianity which I read every year.
It always amazes me that people forget that the Bibke was given to the world by The catholic church....and 400 years went by before the Bible was promulgated as Inspired Scripture. And protestants would have us believe that the Church promulgated a set of letters and books that contradicted its own teachings and practices...not much logic there...sorry
No need for long personal journeys. Just read: “On The Way To Jesus Christ” by Ratzinger and any and all doubts will be settled.
Your logic escapes me. However, I must dispute the statement that the Bible was given to the world by “The catholic church”. This is simply NOT true. First, all scripture is inspired by God. The Greek here states that scripture is inspired or “God breathed”. Scripture comes from God for the benefit of the Church.
The service performed by the church in the early centuries was to attest to those writings which were to be included in the Canon and which were to be discarded. They did not produce the books of the Bible neither was it a popularity contest. Instead, the early churches served as a witness to the authenticity of those letters and books.
In my Sunday school class I circulated three envelopes marked ‘A’, ‘B’, and ‘C’. In two were U.S. dollar bills. In the third was a green piece of paper which had been decorated by my wife to look like an imitation dollar bill. As the class members examined the contents of the envelopes they were able to attest as to the authenticity of the contents of the envelope. They did not add or detract from the authenticity. They merely attested as to which bills were authentic.
In the same manner, the early church witnesses to us as to which manuscripts should be included in the Bible.
As far as the Old Testament goes, it is really audacious for anybody, other than the Jews to take any credit.
we were fed a diet of Roman dogma, the sacraments, sacerdotalism, history of the Jesuits, and the Church Fathers. Catechisms instructed that doctrine was not always to be sought in the Bible but in the infallible teaching of the Church. We learned much about Christological heresies, but at no time could we have explained why Christ had died...
Same old, same old. Missing the point entirely.
we were fed a diet of Roman dogma, the sacraments, sacerdotalism, history of the Jesuits, and the Church Fathers. Catechisms instructed that doctrine was not always to be sought in the Bible but in the infallible teaching of the Church. We learned much about Christological heresies, but at no time could we have explained why Christ had died...
Same old, same old. Missing the point entirely.
Liar wrote:
“We learned much about Christological heresies, but at no time could we have explained why Christ had died - we supposed that it was that we might have the Mass.”
So, never once in all those years, in those schools, in those classrooms, from all of those teachers (priests and nuns), and in all those sermons at Mass, this guy is claiming he was never once told “Jesus died for our sins”?
He’s a liar.
“My father quite genuinely enquired whether there were as many as twenty persons in the world who could possibly believe such things. “
Ha ha, I have had similar responses.
“On the Way to Jesus Christ I Shot Down Allied Planes.”
Not my idea of an inspiring “personal journey,” at least not for the dead American pilots.
Wait, how about On the Way To Jesus Christ I Fell into a Pit Full of Alligators.
I interpret your comment as meaning “your were born again.” Having been raised Protestant and baptized in my mid teens, I considered myself Christian, but it was, in reflection, an ordinary way, with not much affect on my life except as moral code and toward honesty. It was only later, in my late 40s that I came actually understand my Christian faith and what following our Saviour actually means. Thus I consider myself “born again” in the faith, and practice. one can know but not understand.
my, my, my, his logic was perfect. Yes, the bible verses were inspired by God, yes the old testament was Jewish and completely established, and yes, the Catholic Church did not write the bible, but they did compile it. They took the old testament books, edited, fact checked, and sorted the new testament books, and compiled what you now know as the bible. Having done so, they would be pretty obvious if they did not follow, word for word, what they themselves compiled. There were no editors, no protestants to judge, no critics who could stop them, they were pretty much on their own when it came to what would be in the bible and what would not. As the Catholic church grew, is followed the book, which they has compiled, to a "T". ...1,500 years later came the protestants and guess what, they protested the interpretation of the bible by the group that had compiled it. It took about 300 years (we are less removed from the revolutionary war than that) for the bible to be edited, compiled, proof read, whatever...it took until the 1400's before anyone except royalty, major libraries etc. could afford to own a bible (printing press). The Catholic church, through the efforts mostly of her monks, hand copied who knows how many copies of the bible and without their efforts, you wouldn't even know what a bible was. Please do not ever say that the Catholic church is not biblical....they are the ONLY Christian church (not denomination) that is. The protestant movement actually removed some books from the bible which, at that time, was 1500 years old....just what the bible needed..editors!!
That'll happen when you're under the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Something I'm afraid that many Catholics cannot understand, having never experienced it.
Because when you do, you KNOW!!!!
The WORD of YHvH comes to us from YHvH Seek the face of YHvH in His WORD ! The absolute epitome of brazen blatant blasphemy.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
not some man-made international cartel.
That'll happen when you're under the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Something I'm afraid that many Catholics cannot understand, having never experienced it.
Because when you do, you KNOW!!!!
He is indeed wonderful!
So, never once in all those years, in those schools, in those classrooms, from all of those teachers (priests and nuns), and in all those sermons at Mass, this guy is claiming he was never once told “Jesus died for our sins”?
He’s a liar.
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Perhaps he’s just a very poor student. I don’t believe for an instant that he was prevented from reading a bible during his years in school....what would have been the point. I do believe that he was taught the Catholic interpretation of the scriptures, but that’s because the Catholic church teaches that they are to be considered the authorities on biblican interpretation, and that we are not all free to interpret the bible to our own ends. There are many thousands of protestant denominations based mostly on individual interpretations and most of them slightly differ from each other...sad
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