Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
>> “We remember that He sweated blood” <<
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Your memory is faulty.
God’s word says “as though they were blood,” not that they were blood.
Catholics have no respect for truth.
Pray means ask no matter who you ask to do what.
I prayed, asked, you to pray for me knowing you would only know the one meaning and pray to God for me.
That was the point of the exercise to understand that I was praying to you, since you had said we wouldn’t pray to you. Guess I shoulda been clearer. Sorry, I’ll pray to Mary now (Lutherans may join in):
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
****You might want to check Scripture and see. The glorified body Jesus rose from the dead with is a transformed human body. It is no longer a human body.****
****A human body can not walk through walls. A human body can not appear and disappear.****
Really? And if I want to “check” Scripture and see this for myself, where exactly would I look? For, I found no such place in Scripture where it says that the same physical body of Jesus that died was not the one which was resurrected.
In fact, this is what Jesus says about His resurrected body...
“And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have,” (Luke 24:38-39).
>> “and He spoke it to those that say the Church teaches men will become god” <<
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No, he did not. (and where do you evben get that out of CB’s comment anyway?)
You are changing God’s word.
From this conversation, it is the protestants who seem confused; the protestants who must contort themselves and Scripture to keep from acknowledging that Mary did indeed give birth to the Word of God, the Second Person of the Trinity who is Jesus, who is God.
where is your “sarcasm” tag? lol
***Even when you show him the post he made his error, he denies it.***
What is typical is when the HUGE error is pointed out, the argument changes.
The statement was made by CB, that Jesus received His divine nature when the Holy Spirit gave it to Him at conception.
When pointed out that the divinity of Jesus is eternal, the comeback is about His body.
Catholics have no respect for truth.
Doesn't change the point and honest interpreters can read it either way, but I believe Spurgeon was Baptist not Catholic:
"The mental pressure arising from our Lords struggle with temptation, so forced his frame to an unnatural excitement, that his pores sent forth great drops of blood which fell down to the ground."
>> “ I found no such place in Scripture where it says that the same physical body of Jesus that died was not the one which was resurrected.” <<
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Actually that was explained by paul a few years later. His corruptible, flesh and blood body could not enter the kingdom of Heaven, so it had to put on incorruption.
Its not surprising that a catholic would not grasp this basic fact, but that is how it is.
After Jesus arose he had a bloodless, incorruptible body.
i invite you to read post #530
let’s see how intellectually honest the non-Catholics are, will anyone condemn the “untruths” in #530??
going by history, i doubt it.
i feel like that guy who went around the world looking for an honest man, in my case, i’m looking for a non-Catholic that loves truth more than they hate the Church.
Please docuement that this is a dogmatic or doctrinal teaching of the Catholic Church.
Comments like this just demonstrate yur complete ignorance of the Catholic Faith.
Actually if you read Flavius Josephus, a first century Hebrew historian, Semiramis was Nimrods wife. Regardless, she was known in pagan society as the queen of heaven.
Needless to say, Flavius Josephus and other writers of the time would not be normally considered "anti Catholic" unless their histories would contradict the account of the RCC.
Quit danicn around the obvious. Elizabeth Mary the "Mother of my Lord"
The Holy spirit revealed to Elizabeth that Mary was ......wait for it.... the Mother of GOD
Temper temper, your hypicricy is showing. If mary and the Saints can't pray for us then you cajn't either, unless wait a minute you don't think you're the second coming of Jesus do you?
It’s wack a mole to a different topic and a different misrepresentation, this time to theosis.
This will be butchered as well, ending up with a version that contradicts the Nicene Creed. This from someone who claims he can walk around and tell who is saved and who isn’t.
I predict next will come the Church teaching on relationships to non-Christians.
Its a long way and against scripture to make up the practice of praying to saints in heaven from God is the God of the living. There is a distinct difference in scripture of living on earth and living in heaven. No examples or reference is given in scripture of intercessors who have died and gone to heaven. In fact, specific instruction is given to pray to God only and that Jesus is our only intercessor.
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, Peace be with you! 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.Apparently there are some who read and still don't believe.
Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, We have seen the Lord!
But he said to them, Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, Peace be with you! 27 Then he said to Thomas, Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.
28 Thomas said to him, My Lord and my God!
29 Then Jesus told him, Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
Jesus is our only intercessor.
St. Paul disagrees with you on this:
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men...
Its not surprising that a catholic would not grasp this basic fact, but that is how it is.
After Jesus arose he had a bloodless, incorruptible body.
Editor maygbe you don't have this book in your Bible, so see if you can borrow one,
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Jesus cometh, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and see my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and put it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Now maybe in your little world this was the magical fairy Jesus, but the Bible says it was really him.
BTW this is where you smack yurself on the forehead and say; "Wow thoase Catholics are really smart and know a whol;e laot mare about Jesus then I ever will.
CCC 460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
Saint Irenaeus
- Do we cast blame on him [God] because we were not made gods at our beginning, but first we were made men, then, in the end, gods? (Against Heresies 4, 38)
- How then will any be a god, if he has not first been made a man? (Henry Bettenson, The Early Christian Fathers: A Selection from the Writings of the Fathers from St. Clement of Rome to St. Athanasius (London: Oxford University Press, 1956)
Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria
- The Word was made flesh in order that we might be enabled to be made gods. . . . Just as the Lord, putting on the body, became a man, so also we men are both deified through his flesh, and henceforth inherit everlasting life. Athanasius, Against the Arians, 1.39, 3.39.
Augustine of Hippo
- But he himself that justifies also deifies, for by justifying he makes sons of God. For he has given them power to become the sons of God [John 1:12]. If then we have been made sons of god, we have also been made gods... Augustine, On the Psalms, 50:2.
Arent those all Catholic Church views?
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