Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
Mary: Mother of God?
This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."
This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.
Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?
The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.
Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."
The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."
The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".
This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."
It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.
>> “We remember that He sweated blood” <<
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Your memory is faulty.
God’s word says “as though they were blood,” not that they were blood.
Catholics have no respect for truth.
Pray means ask no matter who you ask to do what.
I prayed, asked, you to pray for me knowing you would only know the one meaning and pray to God for me.
That was the point of the exercise to understand that I was praying to you, since you had said we wouldn’t pray to you. Guess I shoulda been clearer. Sorry, I’ll pray to Mary now (Lutherans may join in):
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
****You might want to check Scripture and see. The glorified body Jesus rose from the dead with is a transformed human body. It is no longer a human body.****
****A human body can not walk through walls. A human body can not appear and disappear.****
Really? And if I want to “check” Scripture and see this for myself, where exactly would I look? For, I found no such place in Scripture where it says that the same physical body of Jesus that died was not the one which was resurrected.
In fact, this is what Jesus says about His resurrected body...
“And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have,” (Luke 24:38-39).
>> “and He spoke it to those that say the Church teaches men will become god” <<
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No, he did not. (and where do you evben get that out of CB’s comment anyway?)
You are changing God’s word.
From this conversation, it is the protestants who seem confused; the protestants who must contort themselves and Scripture to keep from acknowledging that Mary did indeed give birth to the Word of God, the Second Person of the Trinity who is Jesus, who is God.
where is your “sarcasm” tag? lol
***Even when you show him the post he made his error, he denies it.***
What is typical is when the HUGE error is pointed out, the argument changes.
The statement was made by CB, that Jesus received His divine nature when the Holy Spirit gave it to Him at conception.
When pointed out that the divinity of Jesus is eternal, the comeback is about His body.
Catholics have no respect for truth.
Doesn't change the point and honest interpreters can read it either way, but I believe Spurgeon was Baptist not Catholic:
"The mental pressure arising from our Lord’s struggle with temptation, so forced his frame to an unnatural excitement, that his pores sent forth great drops of blood which fell down to the ground."
>> “ I found no such place in Scripture where it says that the same physical body of Jesus that died was not the one which was resurrected.” <<
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Actually that was explained by paul a few years later. His corruptible, flesh and blood body could not enter the kingdom of Heaven, so it had to put on incorruption.
Its not surprising that a catholic would not grasp this basic fact, but that is how it is.
After Jesus arose he had a bloodless, incorruptible body.
i invite you to read post #530
let’s see how intellectually honest the non-Catholics are, will anyone condemn the “untruths” in #530??
going by history, i doubt it.
i feel like that guy who went around the world looking for an honest man, in my case, i’m looking for a non-Catholic that loves truth more than they hate the Church.
Please docuement that this is a dogmatic or doctrinal teaching of the Catholic Church.
Comments like this just demonstrate yur complete ignorance of the Catholic Faith.
Actually if you read Flavius Josephus, a first century Hebrew historian, Semiramis was Nimrod’s wife. Regardless, she was known in pagan society as the “queen of heaven”.
Needless to say, Flavius Josephus and other writers of the time would not be normally considered "anti Catholic" unless their histories would contradict the account of the RCC.
Quit danicn around the obvious. Elizabeth Mary the "Mother of my Lord"
The Holy spirit revealed to Elizabeth that Mary was ......wait for it.... the Mother of GOD
Temper temper, your hypicricy is showing. If mary and the Saints can't pray for us then you cajn't either, unless wait a minute you don't think you're the second coming of Jesus do you?
It’s wack a mole to a different topic and a different misrepresentation, this time to theosis.
This will be butchered as well, ending up with a version that contradicts the Nicene Creed. This from someone who claims he can walk around and tell who is saved and who isn’t.
I predict next will come the Church teaching on relationships to non-Christians.
It’s a long way and against scripture to make up the practice of praying to saints in heaven from “God is the God of the living”. There is a distinct difference in scripture of living on earth and “living” in heaven. No examples or reference is given in scripture of intercessors who have died and gone to heaven. In fact, specific instruction is given to pray to God only and that Jesus is our only intercessor.
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.Apparently there are some who read and still don't believe.
Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Jesus is our only intercessor.
St. Paul disagrees with you on this:
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men...
Its not surprising that a catholic would not grasp this basic fact, but that is how it is.
After Jesus arose he had a bloodless, incorruptible body.
Editor maygbe you don't have this book in your Bible, so see if you can borrow one,
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Jesus cometh, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and see my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and put it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Now maybe in your little world this was the magical fairy Jesus, but the Bible says it was really him.
BTW this is where you smack yurself on the forehead and say; "Wow thoase Catholics are really smart and know a whol;e laot mare about Jesus then I ever will.
CCC 460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
Saint Irenaeus
- “Do we cast blame on him [God] because we were not made gods at our beginning, but first we were made men, then, in the end, gods?’ (Against Heresies 4, 38)
- How then will any be a god, if he has not first been made a man? (Henry Bettenson, The Early Christian Fathers: A Selection from the Writings of the Fathers from St. Clement of Rome to St. Athanasius (London: Oxford University Press, 1956)
Athanasius, bishop of Alexandria
- “The Word was made flesh in order that we might be enabled to be made gods. . . . Just as the Lord, putting on the body, became a man, so also we men are both deified through his flesh, and henceforth inherit everlasting life.” Athanasius, Against the Arians, 1.39, 3.39.
Augustine of Hippo
- “But he himself that justifies also deifies, for by justifying he makes sons of God. ‘For he has given them power to become the sons of God’ [John 1:12]. If then we have been made sons of god, we have also been made gods...” Augustine, On the Psalms, 50:2.
Aren’t those all “Catholic Church” views?
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