The mystery of 666 Explained - Nero! {Ecumenical thread}

ecclesia.org ^ | 2009 | Richard Anthony

[Ezekiel]

Of course seeing what a good job I did writing my second post (my eye’s my eye’s!), I know I can count on myself botching up plain English. :-O

I do wonder at what point the floodlight will shine on the existence of the House of Joseph, and who will be the ones aiming the beam. It won’t be the Christians or Jews who accept the standard line that Jews only = genetic Israel (i.e the Northern Kingdom supposedly was either completely lost or assimilated into Judah).

Interesting times.

[Iscool]

exellent post, Jesus is reigning now as King and there will be no third coming. thank you for refuting dispensational nonsense invented in the infamous 19th century.

Reining??? With a rod of iron??? Right now???

Would you care to point out what the results of this reign are, right now???

[Iscool]

I don’t technically “buy” either of these — whichever way I believe that Christ reigns in heaven. There will be an end, but Christ told us not to focus on the when.

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

He most certainly did...

[patlin]

I do wonder at what point the floodlight will shine on the existence of the House of Joseph

Just finished round one of the 1 century writings portion of this weeks Torah parashah for our group. Mt 24, with references to Is 49 & Is 66. No wonder they don't teach these, their doctrinal hypocrisy would be exposed for what it truly is. These Scriptures, when studied together as they were meant to be, do tell us that the false doctrine of Christendom will be exposed for what it is in the end times and that is what Mt 24 is all about, exposing doctrine and false prophets who teach Yeshua is the Messiah while leading their flock down the road of destruction. Isaiah 49 also blows the doctrine of trinity as taught by Christendom right out of the water. It isn't YHVH speaking in Isaiah 49, it is Yeshua Messiah!!! And His real name is “Israel”. Yeshua is a title!!!

[Cronos]

who said any of these were related to salvtion -- you said, I would be interested to know which one of the doctrines of Christendom actually follows Torah so I could find a local ecclesia to join as I have found they are few and far between.

So I asked you you want one that says you have to circumcise your sons and also bans eating pork and lobster?

So, would you join an ecclesia that does not say you have to circumcise your sons and says ok to eating pork and lobster?

[Cronos]

pat: ON THE CONTRAIRE, WE DO READ FROM THE 1ST CENTURY WRITINGS

Then how come you said I can not seem to find the verses in Scripture wherein Paul say not to keep Torah. Where Paul out right rejected circumcision. -- evidently whoever this "we" is, doesn't read Galatians 5:2-3
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

And evidently this "we" doesn't read Corinthians either where Paul says Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 1 Cor 7:18

[marbren]

The rapture could happen today.

[Cronos]

I gave the link to Suetonius. Also note the Nero imposter who turned up among the Parthians — the Romans wanted this imposter handed over to them, why would they bother if he wasn’t a threat?

[circlecity]

"Also note the Nero imposter who turned up among the Parthians — the Romans wanted this imposter handed over to them, why would they bother if he wasn’t a threat?"

So they knew it was an imposter, not Nero himself. Thus, the percievied threat was an IMPOSTER. So are you saying the Beast of Revelation is a Nero imposter or Nero himself? It can't be Nero himself because everybody knew he was dead. To say the Beast is a Nero imposter pretty much makes the whole argument meaningless

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Christians have been transformed from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God’s Son.

kingdoms have Kings.

Kings reign.

the results of this reign? Christians doing the will of the Father.

[Ezekiel]

Thank you very much for the references. Great study material. The trinity is some alien hybrid mixture that doesn’t belong.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

the second coming of Jesus Christ could happen today.

when He comes again, it will be the end of the world.

[aruanan]

Sorry Cronos.

Per Paul, Jesus destroys the beast, the man of sin, the son of perdition with His breath at His second coming.

That hasn’t happened yet.

Sorry, Petronius, you're conflating different things because you've already assumed them to be descriptions of the same event. That's you, not Paul, doing that. The letters to the Thessalonians were written at least 16 years before the earliest possible date of composition for Revelation (67 or 68AD) and Paul didn't refer to "the man of sin, the son of perdition" as "the beast." Furthermore, it doesn't at all follow that what Paul said cannot be true at the same time that "the beast" in Revelation (the first beast) was referring to the historical Nero. You're assuming it can't be true because of a prior eschatological belief. On the other hand, it was the first beast that had been wounded but it was the second beast that caused the mark of the number of its name to be put on people's hands or foreheads, so that complicates the picture for considering that the mark giver was referring to Nero, since it was the second, non-wounded beast, that did that. If the wounded beast was Nero who died by sword at his own hand and the restored beast (the first one, not the second) was the restoration of the power of Rome through a line of Caesars, then the "second beast" who was subsequent to the "first beast," identified as Nero, and who did the mark of the beast thing, couldn't be referring to Nero, because this would have been after Nero's death and the reestablishment of Rome after the chaos following Nero's death.

Furthermore, "the beast" is not the same being described by Paul as being destroyed by Christ's breath at his coming since Revelation described the beast and the false prophet as being captured alive and then thrown alive into the lake of fire, everyone else being killed "killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse." So, if "the man of sin" is destroyed by Christ's breath and that is referring to "the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse" and "the beast" is tossed alive into the lake of fire, then it would require that the "sword coming out of the mouth" and "the lake of fire" are one and the same if "the beast" is the same as "the man of sin."

Bottom line: there's a good reason why a lot of folks were suspicious of Revelation and why it was the last book to make it into the canon.

[marbren]

Merry Christmas! :)

[SunkenCiv]

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[Iscool]

Christians have been transformed from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God’s Son.
kingdoms have Kings.
Kings reign.
the results of this reign? Christians doing the will of the Father.

You can make up anything you want...But that won't make any of it true...

Jesus is currently the High Priest...He is our Spiritual King...We worship Him in spirit and truth...

When Jesus does eventually rule as King of Kings, there's going to be first, lots and lots of dead people...Then Jesus will rule with a rod of iron...

You are not seeing that now...No one has ever seen that...

Jesus will reign from a throne in Jerusalem...There will not be a second throne for Mary, nor your pope...

[Iscool]

when He comes again, it will be the end of the world.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff??? You don't get it from God's word...

When Jesus comes to earth again, all the bad guys will be taken out...No Christians will be leaving, for some time...And the Earth will not be destroyed...

[aruanan]

when He comes again, it will be the end of the world.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff??? You don't get it from God's word... [HA HA HA HA HA]

When Jesus comes to earth again, all the bad guys will be taken out...No Christians will be leaving, for some time...And the Earth will not be destroyed... [see Peter's take on this point below]

The day of the Lord:

From Paul:

Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
--I Thessalonians 5

From Peter:

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

The day of fire and destruction:

From Paul:

God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.
--II Thessalonians 1

From Peter:

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
--II Peter

[GiovannaNicoletta]

Exactly. At Jesus' second, literal coming to earth, the sheep and the goats will be separated, and those who come out of the Tribulation alive but unsaved will be put into hell. Those who have accepted Christ as Savior and survived the Antichrist will go into the Millennial Kingdom and repopulate the earth.

There will be no "end of the world" for at least another 1007 years.

[ChocChipCookie]

I’m looking at the Wikipedia entry for Nero, and it says his name was Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus.

Is there a reason why only Nero Caesar was specified as his name in this article?