Posted on 11/26/2011 3:33:54 PM PST by Iggles Phan
My problem with the 'Rapture' (pre-millenial; pre-tribulation) teaching is that it forces its adherents to actually REVERSE the Person of Jesus Christ to the Devil.
That's correct.
In the 'Rapture' (or Dispensational) scheme the believer is asked to take the Person of Daniel's 70th Week (Who is Jesus Christ at the Cross) described in Chapter 9, verse 27a:
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, ..."
... and reverse this 'he' to mean a 'future Antichrist'.
Are you confused?
Is this Jesus Christ or Antichrist?
1. The Historic View.
This view is typified by the 1599 Geneva Bible notes. These are the notes of John Calvin, Miles Coverdale, and John Knox to name a few.
1599 Geneva Bible Notes on Daniel 9:27a:
"By the preaching of the gospel he confirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection."
It's pretty clear that the Reformers believed that Christ was the Person of Daniel's Great 70th Week.
2. The Modernist View (Dispensational).
In contrast however, compare this historic view to the Dispensational view typified in the Ryrie Study Notes (1978). Look who the modernists assign to this very same Person in Daniel 9:27a:
"The prince of verse 26, the Antichrist previously introduced in 7:8, 24-26, who will make a pact with many (of the Jewish people) at the beginning of the tribulation period. But in the middle of the week (i.e., 3 1/2 years later) Antichrist will break his covenant and desecrate the Temple by demanding worship of himself in it."
The difference couldn't be farther apart.
Historic Christianity says that Jesus fulfilled the 70th week AT THE CROSS, but Rapture Christianity (Dispensationalism) says that the Devil fulfills it in a 're-built' temple.
Therefore, Dispensationalism is no less than a frontal assault on the Cross of Christ. It reverses Jesus Christ to the Devil. It is malicious and a pernicious doctrine.
Remember, this Dispensational view was NEVER known until 1830. That's why it is a Modernist view. It was invented by JN Darby and popularized by CI Scofield, two con-men to Christianity.
In the 20th century, carpetbaggers such as Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, Jack (and Rexella) Van Impe, John Hagee and others have made fame and fortune off of this con game. They have marketed this 'Rapture' theology like a cheap box of laundry detergent on TV and radio, and with videos and books.
My hope and prayer is that the Church starts to wake up out of its slumber and starts challenging its pastors, ministries, and teachers. The Cross of Christ is at stake here!
For the Glory of Christ Jesus. Amen.
You seem to believe in only earthly things. We will never die means that we will live forever with him in heaven.
Why are you so caught up in the earth? Do you not believe in heaven?
Have you not read the entire passage? He said his words were spirit and life. It’s part of the entire teaching of Jesus.
Why do you have a problem believing what Jesus said?
Hey, if it's good enough for you to justify transubstantiation and the papacy, it's good enough for the rest of us.
Or do you operate on *Do as I say, not as I do?*
This too, eh? Do YOU practice it? It's part of the *all* you know.
Matthew 5:27-30 You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' 28But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell."
This too, eh? Do YOU practice it? It's part of the *all* you know.
Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."
You’re the one who doesn’t believe that Jesus Christ is the manna from heaven. I totally believe it.
I have no idea why you think that somehow Jesus Christ, the only Begotten Son of God, is not telling you the TRUTH.
Are you saying he is a liar? Or perhaps he is crazy? Or perhaps he really isn’t the only Begotten Son of God?
Why would Jesus say I am the Bread of Life if it wasn’t true?
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Jeremiah 31:35-36
35: Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: |
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Jeremiah 31:37
37: Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured...I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD |
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Jeremiah 23:5-8
5: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. |
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God's Promise to Israel
For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished (Jeremiah 30:11). |
Fascinating.
On the contrary, I recognize that Jesus was teaching spiritual truths.
The ones focused on the earthly are the ones who believe that you have to literally eat the actual flesh and blood of Jesus to have life.
Prove it. Show me the post where I said that.
That’s because you seem to believe that Jesus taught spiritual truths without using material means.
God uses everything to teach. Unfortunately many cannot understand that.
Please see post 408
Sorry, post 401
“The Rapture is clearly spelled out in Scripture, and fallen, unredeemed man denies that major doctrine at their own peril.”
To each his own...and contrary to your ‘interpretations’ there is no ‘Rapture’ spelled out in Scripture.
John Nelson Darby was misled by a Scotish follower of Edward Irving’s ‘Vision’...
Excellent chart, thank you Quix.
LOL.
BELLY LAUGH.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
I’m still amazed, looking back over 65 years . . . at how many Pastors were on the receiving end of some of those ‘cut-loose’ errands . . . some of them internationally known. And, certainly decades ago, I was far, far, far less . . . clear of my own junk in such communications . . . but God mercifully still used them and backed up what was shared. That can be frightful . . . to be the phone-line . . . in such matters.
Bless you for your kind words. May God have mercy on all of us.
Micah 6:8
Justice
To Love mercy
To walk humbly with God.
THANKFULLY,
I can rest in God’s perspective on that score . . .
often enough made most strakly clear in unmistakable terms.
Given His approval, encouragements and support—directly and indirectly, no one else’s matters much.
You are never responsible for blather from Quix.
We are all responsible for God’s Words and Truth whether spoken through a mule, an ass, a toad, a rock, a child or even someone we consider an enemy.
LOL...I chuckled when reading that, wasn't prepared for the word "dough"....who would be after all the threads about that issue...... but you know it is really quite profound because it is...."dough".
No,... you believe in Christ's finished work on your behalf to have eternal life....that's 'all' the thief did...there was no other "all"....and there isn't now.
Great post Quix!!! Clap clap!!!
...God will not forsake Israel, there has always been a remnant..and always will be as He brings those thru to that Day when all Israel’s eyes will identify clearly that Jesus Christ is their King whom they have longed and hoped for.
... though ...'I make a FULL END OF ALL NATIONS'.... whither I have scattered thee,... 'yet will I NOT Make A Full End of thee:
... but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.... (Jeremiah 30:11).
Yes, fascinating.....He has NOT taken His eye off the apple of His eye...nor will He.
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