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Why I do not believe in the 'Rapture'

Posted on 11/26/2011 3:33:54 PM PST by Iggles Phan

My problem with the 'Rapture' (pre-millenial; pre-tribulation) teaching is that it forces its adherents to actually REVERSE the Person of Jesus Christ to the Devil.

That's correct.

In the 'Rapture' (or Dispensational) scheme the believer is asked to take the Person of Daniel's 70th Week (Who is Jesus Christ at the Cross) described in Chapter 9, verse 27a:

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, ..."

... and reverse this 'he' to mean a 'future Antichrist'.

Are you confused?

Is this Jesus Christ or Antichrist?

1. The Historic View.

This view is typified by the 1599 Geneva Bible notes. These are the notes of John Calvin, Miles Coverdale, and John Knox to name a few.

1599 Geneva Bible Notes on Daniel 9:27a:

"By the preaching of the gospel he confirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection."

It's pretty clear that the Reformers believed that Christ was the Person of Daniel's Great 70th Week.

2. The Modernist View (Dispensational).

In contrast however, compare this historic view to the Dispensational view typified in the Ryrie Study Notes (1978). Look who the modernists assign to this very same Person in Daniel 9:27a:

"The prince of verse 26, the Antichrist previously introduced in 7:8, 24-26, who will make a pact with many (of the Jewish people) at the beginning of the tribulation period. But in the middle of the week (i.e., 3 1/2 years later) Antichrist will break his covenant and desecrate the Temple by demanding worship of himself in it."

The difference couldn't be farther apart.

Historic Christianity says that Jesus fulfilled the 70th week AT THE CROSS, but Rapture Christianity (Dispensationalism) says that the Devil fulfills it in a 're-built' temple.

Therefore, Dispensationalism is no less than a frontal assault on the Cross of Christ. It reverses Jesus Christ to the Devil. It is malicious and a pernicious doctrine.

Remember, this Dispensational view was NEVER known until 1830. That's why it is a Modernist view. It was invented by JN Darby and popularized by CI Scofield, two con-men to Christianity.

In the 20th century, carpetbaggers such as Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, Jack (and Rexella) Van Impe, John Hagee and others have made fame and fortune off of this con game. They have marketed this 'Rapture' theology like a cheap box of laundry detergent on TV and radio, and with videos and books.

My hope and prayer is that the Church starts to wake up out of its slumber and starts challenging its pastors, ministries, and teachers. The Cross of Christ is at stake here!

For the Glory of Christ Jesus. Amen.


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To: sauropod

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21 posted on 11/26/2011 3:53:37 PM PST by huskerjim
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To: Iggles Phan
Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have not hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, which pre-dates John Darby by a couple thousand years.

Rapture, aka harpazo (original Greek used in the text), aka "violent snatching away".

The Rapture is clearly spelled out in Scripture, and fallen, unredeemed man denies that major doctrine at their own peril.

22 posted on 11/26/2011 3:53:59 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: F15Eagle

You’re right, as usual.


23 posted on 11/26/2011 3:54:58 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Iggles Phan
These are the notes of John Calvin, Miles Coverdale, and John Knox to name a few.

1599 Geneva Bible Notes on Daniel 9:27a:

"By the preaching of the gospel he confirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection."

It's pretty clear that the Reformers believed that Christ was the Person of Daniel's Great 70th Week.

I'm sorry to tell you that either
they were wrong or
you have misinterpted them.

Rashi Identifies the person as someone
representing the Roman Empire.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
24 posted on 11/26/2011 3:55:26 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The one problem I’ve always had with this is the idea that the Temple in Israel would have to be rebuilt. However, even if it is rebuilt, it wouldn’t be a real temple of God. Their sacrifices would be irrelevant. All of it wouldn’t matter. How can one abominate something that is itself an abomination that denies Jesus Christ?


25 posted on 11/26/2011 3:56:48 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: SkyDancer

Before that it was catching away.


26 posted on 11/26/2011 3:59:46 PM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Iggles Phan

The Rapture already happened. Thing is, they didn’t take any peeple...


28 posted on 11/26/2011 4:01:20 PM PST by bigheadfred (wogga wogga)
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To: Iggles Phan
Well, come on...speak up.


29 posted on 11/26/2011 4:01:44 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Iggles Phan
I noticed several things about your post:

You completely ignore 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4.

You're completely wrong about the nature of the Rapture, something even 1st Century Christians were looking forward to.

You've not bothered to reply to any of the posts directed to you, despite the divisive nature of your first article.

Welcome to FR

30 posted on 11/26/2011 4:03:17 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: Apollo5600

THE MILLENNIUM

Loraine Boettner
©1957
Excellent theologian he died in 1940 so not exactly a new ager. The Scofield and Darby mentions on the thread are accurate. One of my favorite post Trib preachers always put it to his audience this way what are the consequences of being in error on this point. If I have erred I fly away with you to a mild rebuke if you are wrong you must without proper preparation endure the worst trial in human history.


31 posted on 11/26/2011 4:04:43 PM PST by scottteng (Tax government employees til they quit and find something useful to do)
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To: Iggles Phan

Another view with a strong biblical foundation that the dispensational view of the rapture is incorrect:

www.prophecyquestions.wordpress.com


32 posted on 11/26/2011 4:07:28 PM PST by grumpa
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To: Apollo5600
Well, there is no Jewish temple in Israel now, and unless we're going to deny Scripture, we know from the book of Daniel that the Antichrist will stand in the temple and declare himself to be "god", so, since there is no temple now, for that prophecy to be fulfilled, and we know it will be fulfilled because God said it will happen, then a temple will have to be rebuilt.

Our opinions about this have absolutely no relevance whatsoever. God still has seven years to deal with His chosen people, and those seven years will, according to what God has told us, include the reestablishment of sacrifices in a temple which will have to be rebuilt.

Those are the facts. And, since hundreds of Biblical prophecies have already been fulfilled, we can know without the slightest doubt that the prophesied temple will be rebuilt, and the Antichrist will stand in that temple and declare himself to be "god".

33 posted on 11/26/2011 4:07:55 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: sauropod

You aren’t the first to disagree with the Bible. Good luck with it.


34 posted on 11/26/2011 4:08:46 PM PST by Bowtie52
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To: Iggles Phan

I agree completely. This is VERY irresponsible teaching and people should run from any church that teaches this as it is clearly not supported by Scripture.


35 posted on 11/26/2011 4:08:59 PM PST by spacejunkie01
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To: buccaneer81; Iggles Phan

What do you want them to say?

“I like my dog. Well
done...”


36 posted on 11/26/2011 4:09:20 PM PST by bigheadfred (wogga wogga)
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To: MikeSteelBe

The word ‘meet’ in that scripture in the Greek means as going out to meet an official and BRINGING HIM BACK.


37 posted on 11/26/2011 4:12:35 PM PST by spacejunkie01
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Hi Uri'el-2012! Have you seen this?

Blueprints and Computer Animation of the Sanhedrin Chamber of Hewn Stone

We can see what the rebuilt temple is going to look like!

38 posted on 11/26/2011 4:14:09 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: mountainlion

Technology narrows it more and more each day.


39 posted on 11/26/2011 4:14:23 PM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Thank you for posting. AMEN. There it is plain as day in scripture. What more would anyone need?


40 posted on 11/26/2011 4:18:48 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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