Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
Thanks to the efforts of defenders of orthodoxy in the Church, the Gnostics were discredited and officially repudiated. They aren’t around any more, but the author says that Gnostic-like traits can be found among Protestants.
Gnostic-like tendencies in modern Protestantism include a focus on the believer’s “personal relationship with Jesus,” a relationship which supposedly doesn’t need to be intermediated by the Church and its sacraments, especially the Eucharist.
As the author points out, the idea of a special elite whose personal relationship with Christ elevates them (the elite) over the rest of humanity was also a tenet of the Gnostic heretics.
HaHaHa...I got news for ya...The old Gnostics of your religious accusers were the Christians of the New Testament...
In all your research and reference material one thing is left out...The words of God...
Your religion is based upon human philosophy...Our Christianity is not only based upon the bible, it is the bible...
So one of the selling points of your religion is that none of you has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ???
My God, man...You're a pagan religionist and don't even know it...
if you can’t figure it out, i don’t have time to explain it to you.
so you are saying the eunuch in Acts 8 was not saved?
why did Philip leave him in an unsaved condition?
why did Philip baptize an unbeliever?
so by saying both, you are saying merely believing Jesus Chrsit is the Son of God doesn’t save you.
ok, was the eunuch in Acts 8 saved?
why did Philip baptize him if he was not?
Alponsus accepted Catholic doctrine that Jesus Christ is the UNCREATED SON OF GOD WHO BECAME MAN TO RECONCILE SINNERS TO THE FATHER.
Mary is a created being, who owes everything she is to the grace of God.
cb, still can’t figure “thy Maker” out from the OT?
STILL THINK IT SAYS “THE FATHER”?
People like yourself worship your hatred of Catholicism rather than God.
The only thing you have are ad hominem attacks and hate to offer.
You’re a pagan religionist and don’t even know it...
>>You aren’t exactly much of a Christian yourself. The only thing you know how to do is to spew hatred and bigotry.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21
Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.”
Matthew 23:25
You show that you have an intellectual faith and don’t know the first thing about being a Christian.
*****rather than accept that it is simply as is stated.....”It is the Catholic Mary that Protestants decry.”****
Several statements in this very thread lead me to believe otherwise. Protestants have lost the awe they should feel toward a simple Jewish girl who said yes to God knowing the possible consequences of her actions. She trusted God, submitted to His will and now has reaped the rewards we are all promised when we do the same.
****.Catholics spend so much time looking for what “isn’t there”... rather than “see” what “IS there”... that they miss the High Calling in Christ Jesus”.....*****
That statement couldn’t be further from the truth. What Catholics have that protestants don’t is a nearly 2,000 year history proclaiming the truth and preserving the faith. The Catholics have seen and heard all of what protestants think they have just now discovered and have had hundreds of years to study and reflect and let the Spirit lead them where He will.
There are thousands and thousands of works written by Catholic theologians and historians which date back to mere years from the life and times of the Apostles. Writings from men who learned the faith from the Apostles.
The theology of the Church is a deep well of refreshing water from which is drawn truth one bucket at a time. The water is already there waiting for the right hand to draw it out. It is like a beautiful rich tapestry woven throughout the history of Christianity. It is like one of those preprinted needlepoint mosaics. The whole truth is already there but the details, like the stitches on a needlepoint work are arduously and carefully added so that the shadow of what is already there comes alive in vibrant color.
If God had created the heavens and earth with a protestant’s heart and mind, the sky would be gray, the trees brown, birds would be all one shade and sing the same tune. There would be no fields of wildflowers or breathtaking vistas. In other words, a world with no awe, no wonder, and no delight.
Thank you Lord for the beauty You created. The wonders You have made, both in the heavens and on the earth take my breath away and turn my heart to You in a way that no one or nothing else can. How great Thou art and how glorious Your creation.
Thank you Lord for Mary, virgin most pure and humble, mother most kind and loving. Thank you for showing me the reality of the hope I have in You.
There is no honor of Mary which God has not made possible and ordained when He chose her over all women throughout all of time, past, present and future, to bear to the world its Savior. My Lord and my God, may I say to you what Mary said when she heard Your words from the Angel Gabriel, “I am the handmaid of the Lord, be it done to me according to Thy will.”
The New Testament is riddled with Platonistic language.
http://bit.ly/siIvsE
*****Wrong...it was to support my position that what catholics say isn’t so...and those quotes attest to te fact mary is elevated above Christ... and what is reality.****
So, you have read the entire work of “The Glories of Mary” by ST. Ligouri and know it well enough that you were able to recall those quotes, find the page numbers for them, and yet were unable to include all the words left out in the “.....” portion of the quotes?
I am having a hard time locating them, perhaps you could include all that is MISSING from the REDACTED parts which you posted?
*****You say you don’t worship Mary, that’s she’s not elevated above Christ...I posted works of one of your Bishops, who btw was “sainted acoording to your traditions, and other quotes from leadership and authors which do testify that the members certainly do worship your Mary...and they are led to do so.*****
The Catholic Church does not worship Mary, and you did not post quotes, you posted snippets and “soundbites” meant to “prove” what protestants have been told to believe by others.
I cannot comment on INCOMPLETE quotes taken from anti Catholic websites. If protestants are so sure of their beliefs, PRINT THE WHOLE QUOTE.
Very good. I agree with your assessment. However, nothing in this passage says that God considers Israel to be His bride.
That's like saying that there is water in an ocean.
Interesting thought: was Hitler the result of his catholic education ?
The hippies embraced the philosophies of personal freedom with no responsibility that arose out of the theological evolution resulting from the Reformation and/or Restoration.
Hitler rejected any Catholic beliefs or morality.
You are the one who said each Christian is responsible for reading Scripture for themselves.
It is a common enough protestant boast, it means nothing and certainly was impossible for hundreds of years of Christianity, especially in the first generations following Christ’s death, resurrection and ascension.
I know how they did so, THROUGH THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH.
Thank you, come again.
Typical laundering of snti=Catholic bigots. They try that a lot here, thinking that the lurkers are stupid and will fall for it.
The only incident that the Church had with Mary was in the process of undstandging and the declaration of the Theotokos. Same as in the creation of the Nicene Creed. Same as in the selection of Scripture, and which version of each book selected to use.
I don’t think an excummunication of an order of nuns is going to change the hearts and minds of those who continue to see Mary in the light that’s been presented here. And as long as the massive amounts of prayers, bowing to statues, parades and festivals surrounding her continue...anything the members might say to the contrary simply holds little water.
The Gospel writer Luke wrote (painted) the first icon. It was of Our Lady. Did Luke get it wrong?
The Greek says 'master'. The KJV says husband. Yes, I am calling it faulty.
How about doing us a favour and posting entire passages so we can see them in context? We are very familiar with Protestant proof texting of Scripture and taking snippets out of context. I have had many annoyed posts to me because I have a tendency to post entire passages more than just a partial verse.
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