Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
If you read the whole chapter, you should see that this is figurative language for the apostacy of the two Jewish kingdoms - Israel and Judah.
Probably not. That movement came from the "immanentizing the eschaton" side of politics, not from the "seeking a novel way of shortening the days" side of religion.
Well, I was referring to the I me mine mentality, and the idea of undeserved reward.
Gotcha.
So you’re saying that no Catholic argued against those books prior to Trent? Remember that I asked what books did Luther reject that other RCs prior to Trent did not.
Yeah, I figured that would stump you.
That would be classified blasphemy and heretical and an abomination to God just as it was in Jeremiah.
Apology indeed. When the CC specifically states that they have replaced Christ with Mary no apology is needed for speaking the truth.
The CC says they have to go to Mary first.
Actually if you read the whole chapter you see that God brings Israel back and restores her. Taking a portion of what God is saying trying to make a liar out of Him won’t sit well with Him I think.
Jeremiah 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever. 13 Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD. 14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: 15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. 16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more. 17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. 18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
Many political scientists have drawn connections between the ideals of the Radical Reformation and the rise of the political left in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Would, or even COULD Catholics go for any length of time without praying to Mary or even thinking about her?
Jeremiah 29:13 You shall seek me, and shall find me: when you shall seek me with all your heart.
I would dare any Catholic to spend a month praying only to God, not Mary, not any saints, not even telling anyone else they're doing it and asking them to pray for them, just them and the Father, asking the Holy Spirit to guide them, seeking God alone with their whole heart, and see just where the Father leads them.
Read ONLY Scripture and nothing else. I would challenge them to trust ONLY God.
Indeed. The Protestants should use the Septuagint’s redacted version of Jeremiah as well as its version of the Book of Job.
Another problem, the Septuagint played an important role in salvation history because it predicted the virgin birth, which the Jews later falsified.
If the Protestant Fundamentalists want to worship the Massoretic text. They can have at it because it was a text that the Jews composed AFTER the split between Judaism and Christianity aimed at stemming the flow of converts.
Ah, ah, ah.
Terminology. Individual Catholics (never mind this RC business) may debate, but in the end, it is the Magisterium that decides. Individual bishops argued for and against the inclusion of specific books, however various Ecumenical Councils canonized Scripture and that was that.
The Didache and Hermas were often used as Scripture and the Apocalypse of John usually not, however, the Church wound up canonizing one and setting the other two aside.
There is the authority of the Church. And then there is the opinion of the individual. I might suggest that one learns the lessons of, say, Nestorius or Arius.
I think that pretty much goes back as far as Adam and Eve.
But you must admit that it got a resurgence at the Reformation and took off full blown at the Restoration.
The CC says they have to go to Mary first.
Negative. Anyone who says that goes against Church teaching. Now, we believe that all Mariology points at Christ. Mariolatry is met with excommunication.
Period.
I’m thinking you will get no takers on that.
Actually if you read the whole chapter you see that God brings Israel back and restores her. Taking a portion of what God is saying trying to make a liar out of Him won’t sit well with Him I think.
Your translation of verse 14 says marriage ie spouse. The correct translation is master. Faulty translations make for faulty theology, do they not?
Quoting from the falsified Jewish text. The Septuagint reads more clearly than the anti-Christian Massoretic text:
11 And the Lord said to me, Israel has justified himself more than faithless Juda.
12 Go and read these words toward the north, and thou shalt say, Return to me, O house of Israel, saith the Lord; and I will not set my face against you: for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not be angry with you for ever. 13 Nevertheless, know thine iniquity, that thou hast sinned against the Lord thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to strangers under every shady tree, but thou didst not hearken to my voice, saith the Lord. 14 Turn, ye children that have revolted, saith the Lord; for I will rule over you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you in to Sion: 15 and I will give you shepherds after my heart, and they shall certainly tend you with knowledge.
18 In those days the house of Juda, shall come together to the house of Israel, and they shall come, together, from the land of the north, and from all the countries, to the land, which I caused their fathers to inherit. 19 And I said, So be it, Lord, for thou saidst I will set thee among children, and will give thee a choice land, the inheritance of the Almighty God of the Gentiles: and I said, Ye shall call me Father; and ye shall not turn away from me. 20 But as a wife acts treacherously against her husband, so has the house of Israel dealt treacherously against me, saith the Lord.
The Dead Sea Scrolls have vindicated the Septuagint recension of the Book of Jeremiah compared with the Protestant/Rabinnical Massoretic texts.
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