Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish

Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

[marshmallow]

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Do you disagree with them?

no, but you must if you reject the Church as Israel.

let’s try again:

God is married to Israel
Jesus Christ is God
The Church is the bride of Christ
God is not a bigamist
The Church is Israel

may i suggest you read Romans 9:6

for not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.

and then there are those not descended from Israel who belong to Israel.

therefore all “Israel” shall be saved.
therefore all in the Body of Christ shall be saved.
therefore Israel is the Body of Christ.

[presently no screen name]

If it's about anyone or anything but Jesus it isn't CHRISTianity.

AMEN!! For JESUS is the ONLY One Worthy.

Revelation 5:1-6

"And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals".

"Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?” "

"And NO ONE IN HEAVEN or ON THE EARTH or UNDER THE EARTH was able to open the scroll, or to look at it."

"So I wept much, because NO ONE WAS FOUND WORTHY to open and read the scroll, or to look at it."

"But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.”

JESUS, The LAMB of GOD, IS the ONLY one WORTHY!

It's ALL about JESUS!

[D-fendr]

You can go to Jesus however you wish. I recommend all who love Him do so.

You can go directly, I recommend that also.

The point of Mary leads us to Christ in the context of my post was this:

You could go directly to Christ if He had come into this world descending from the clouds or appearing from nowhere. There would be no difference in your going to Him in regard to this aspect.

However, you can only be led through Mary to Christ if you realize Christ as the Incarnate Word. This is what the Christian Faith teaches about Christ; fully human, fully divine. This is incredibly important in the Christian Faith, we cannot and must not separate the two. Any other teaching about who Christ is is not of the same faith.

So the fullness of Our Saviour, humanity and divinity is seen in the Incarnation, the whole Christ. This was the context and my thinking when I writing it. It is in this fuller way that Mary leads us to Christ, points to Christ, as she does in this icon:

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

you are joking right?

what is a nation, except a group of individuals?

Is “Israel” determined by DNA or Faith? ( read Galatians 3:29 for the answer )

[D-fendr]

Catholics normally do not simply discuss the Trinity without simultaneously discussing the unity.

Yeppers. And the translation 'person' doesn't quite capture the point of the debate. The "separate" portion is to distinguish from various forms of Modalism. Past that, it's usefulness is pretty much nil.

[caww]

This is not like asking someone on earth to pray for you, since they are physically here to converse....catholics are doing is asking those who are not physically here and are unable to see or affect the affairs of mankind on earth to do ‘what is attributed to God only’.

In the Bible we find that prayer is directed to God alone. To set up a person as a recipient for our prayers, no matter how great they are is making them out to be deity. Asking a saint to help and guide or protect is something ‘only God can do’....

[Jvette]

“Yo, God...”

LOL

It is what they do, isn’t it?

Remember that song by Sheryl Crow?

What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us?

In my mind, to the protestant, Jesus is like the carnival guy in the box, if you get your coin in his mouth, you get a little “You are saved” card.

[D-fendr]

Translation here: Communion of Saints as in the creeds and the Church for 2,000 years? Gone. Alive in Christ who conquered death? Nah.. Surrounded by a cloud of witnesses? They're blind, deaf and dumb.

It truly is amazing what some have lost by leaving the Church.

[rzman21]

Read about the Communion of Saints that the Apostle’s Creed uses. That’s a start.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

so the saints in heaven are unaware of what is happening on earth?

hmm, is that what the Bible teaches?

Luke 15:7 says there will be “joy” in heaven over one sinner who repents.

Revelation 6:10-12 shows the martyrs very much aware of what is happening on earth.

God is the God of the living, not the dead.

[presently no screen name]

They “ask for her blessing”? So they push Christ aside and ask Mary? I call that blasphemy

Indeed it is and it's idolatry, also. And who teaches them to do that - man through man-made teachings. That should be a clue but pride is too precious to them to submit to God's Word - the Final Authority. Yet, they submit to man's 'I'm all yours, Mary' mindset.

"This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose LIFE, so that you and your children may live."

They chose death and curses. There is no eternal life in that choice as there is no Truth. Jesus is the One Way, One Truth and One LIFE. Never 'man' nor Mary.

[CynicalBear]

The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

God the Father – Israel is His wife
Jesus the only begotten Son – the church is His bride.

>> may i suggest you read Romans 9:6<<

One more time instead of reading all of scripture the CC indoctrination rears it’s ugly head.

The father of Israel is Abraham. Not all of Abrahams offspring are Israelites. Jacob’s decedents are Israelites, Esau’s are not.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 1 3As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

[D-fendr]

Around here they have what they call Cowboy Churches. They meet in a rodeo ring, have a country band and baptize in a stock tank.

No, I’m not kidding.

[CynicalBear]

Heirs of Abraham in the spirit but not of the flesh. Israel is of the flesh and all the promises God made to the nation of Israel the nation still stand. Of course if you don’t understand spiritual you won’t understand that.

[rzman21]

They think we are having a seance when we ask the saints to pray for us.

[D-fendr]

I think that’s an accurate way to put it. They really are starting from zero in so many areas of Christian Faith.

We talk about the problems the Church has in properly catechizing, but compared to what we see on here... well, at least Catholics know the creeds and what the words refer to.

[CynicalBear]

Do you not believe what Jesus said?

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

[Jvette]

It is not splitting hairs, it is a matter of authority.

I accept that the Church is led by the Holy Spirit, as promised by Jesus and therefore, accept her authority in matters of Scripture, Tradition and Faith.

I have said many times that I believe salvation is a gift of the Grace of God, through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus and by no other means. It is what the Church teaches.

When one disputes that that is what I believe because I am a Catholic, it is not splitting hairs, it is claiming an authority which has not been given to them, by Christ or by the Scripture and a knowledge of my heart which only God has.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

umm, does the OT say “God the Father” is married to Israel?

Isaiah 54:5 says “for thy Maker is your husband”

that’s interesting language isn’t it? no mention of the Father, but “thy Maker”

let’s see what John had to say about the Maker -

John1:3

“all things were made through him, and WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE”

HMM, sounds like “thy Maker” to me.

[D-fendr]

Gee, I thought He taught folks to say; “I am the Church.” Or “Just me and You and my Bible, Lord, that’s all I need, the heck with them organized religion folks.”

Now you can continue with your non sequiturs and red herrings…