Posted on 11/13/2011 5:02:38 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
Roosevelt did that, Catholic's saved hundreds of thousands of Jews
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I just want to suggest that a literal messianic age on earth is not in itself wrong; in fact, it is right. The "utopia" at the "end of history" which Marxism and other materialistic philosophies tout is not Messianism, but a secular perversion of Messianism. G-d could have created a purely spiritual world but chose to create this material world and put us in it. This means that this world, and not just the higher spiritual worlds, must eventually be sanctified and brought under the Kingdom of G-d. The notion that it is nothing but a "waiting room" for a heaven of disembodied spirits has in fact defaulted this world to the atheists.
Please note that in order to bring about this Messianic era, G-d's directions must be followed. There is no other way other than the one G-d Himself has communicated. Any G-dless plan, or heretical plan, will fail utterly.
While it is true that man's evil inclination has been dominant since the sin in the Gan, eventually it will be sublimated under G-d. This is not naive atheist optimism. The G-d who created this world will bring it to fulfillment. Nothing remotely Communist about it. Mankind began its existence in a paradise. That paradise must be restored and G-d's creation vindicated.
Also, note that the idea of a future paradise on earth is present in Catholicism as well; that's what this whole thread is about. What is the "triumph of the immaculate heart" but a Catholic earthly utopia?
We agree.
Joel 2,3 speak of the last days. Peter spoke of Joel's prophecy in Acts 2, on the day of Pentecost. "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel."
And to whom is this prophecy of great revival given to? "For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance. as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call."Joel 2:32.
This revival is to be for Israel. "Ye men of Israel, hear these words." "Ye men of Judea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem."
Unless your church believes she is Israel, there will be NO "revival" in the last days.
But there is another "last days" spoken of by the Apostle Paul. The last days of the Church the Body of Christ. The "But Now" that we are living in.
Paul's last days speak of apostacy--not revival.
"This know also, that IN THE LAST DAYS PERILOUS TIMES SHALL COME. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy...having a FORM OF GODLINESS, but DENYING THE POWER THEREOF: from such turn away" (2 Tim 3:1,2,5).
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine! But after their own lust shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth and shall be turned unto fables." (2 Tim. 4:3,4).
One speaks of the revival of Israel. The other speaks of the apostacy of those who have not trusted in the finished work of Christ for their salvation.
The question is: do you believe you are Israel?
The Catholic author seems eager to return to the days when Christian “heretics” are eliminated by a militant Catholic church lead by a ruthless European monarch (aka dictator).
So protestant believers not only need to beware of atheist, hindu, muslim, satanist, certain elements of Judiasm and other various enemies who seek their harm around the world; but even the Catholic church should be expected to return to her days of torture and killing of protestant Christians? Am I getting this right?
And this monarch differs from the Anti-Christ how exactly?
That is simply not true. I am Protestant, but there is no reason to repeat smears created recently by the left and that have been thoroughly debunked. There is an easily findable literature on this if your do some simply searches.
Now that's interesting. The Orthodox Churches will be reunited with Rome but Fundamentalist churches will cease to exist. Not convert, not be reunited, but cease to exist. Wow.
This monarch must be a fanatical evolutionist.
"you're gonna hafta serve somebody..."
Where does it say "Not convert?" That is no where implied.
When all this comes to pass, it would be moot to remain anything but Catholic. It will be obvious to all that God has acted in a way unknown in history, and that there is only One True Church.
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." 1 Thess. 4:16-18.
You've got the "cease to exist" right, although you've missed the important "WHY" they will exist no more...
Quite true. You may find this of interest: http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods48.html
When all this comes to pass, it would be moot to remain anything but Catholic.
What if you can't believe in evolution? Do you get torched? I mean, I thought G-d raised up the Fundamentalist churches to handle the people who didn't have the gigantic brains to be Catholics. What happens to those people if those churches cease to exist and they refuse to believe that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are a big old fairy tale (adapted from Babylonian and Canaanite paganism)? Obviously the Catholic Church doesn't want people like that. So what's going to happen to them?
It will be obvious to all that God has acted in a way unknown in history
He did that at Sinai, but that didn't stop a zillion people from starting a zillion different religions that claimed to "fulfill" it.
and that there is only One True Church.
Coptic? Syrian? Ethiopian? Armenian? Chaldaean Syrian? Malankara? Assyrian?
Old Calendar Assyrian or New Calendar Assyrian???
Thank you for your thoughtfulness.
Well, Christianity has always taught that Christianity is the New Israel...
What, then, is supersessionism? The word designates the traditional Christian belief that the covenant between God and the People of Israel, established through the mediation of Moses at Mount Sinai, has been replaced or superseded by the ‘New Covenant’ of Jesus Christ. This implies that the Mosaic covenant, with its ritual and dietary requirements, Sabbath observance, etc., is no longer valid for the Jewish people, since God’s revealed will is for Jews, as well as all Gentiles, to enter into the New Covenant by means of baptism and faith in Jesus as the promised Messiah.
When these prophecies come to pass, the Fundamentalist/Evangelical/Rapturist understanding of the secular state called Israel will be seen for what it was at that point also.
I don't believe in atheistic evolution, yet I am an un-excommunicated daily communicant.
I think your evolution bogey man is full of hot air.
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I don’t see the Great Monarch as an actual Monarch but simply a Western keader.
Ew . . . nasty.
So in addition to chucking out the first eleven chapters of Genesis, those unfortunate people will also have to trade their Biblical sentimentalism for medieval sentimentalism?
It ain't worth it.
Old Calendar Assyrian or New Calendar Assyrian???
Yep, all of the above. All of the Apostolic Churches will be one, "One flock, and one shepherd to guide them." And all the heresies since 1517 will cease. Coming soon.
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