Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism

The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

[metmom]

I did not say you lied. If there are any falsehoods of yours you’d like to discuss, please feel free.

You were the one who referred to them. Surely you must have had something in mind when you made that comment. Where then, did you get the idea that?

I have not posted any falsehoods. The charge is yours.

[D-fendr]

If, heaven forbid, you were to sin against the Holy Spirit. Would your blanket forgiveness for all your future sins still cover it? Or would Christ be in some Catch 22 with you?

[Judith Anne]

Oh, okay,

[Lera]

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. :27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: :28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.




Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

[Running On Empty]

“How’s that for a marathon run-on sentence”

I did not like it.

[Running On Empty]

“That is blatantly and provably false.”

Yes. It is.

[mitch5501]

"Obviously, the religious works don't cut it. And what's the first thing so many churches try to get people to do?...Religious works."

And you know what metmom? many folks seem to love it that way!

[Cronos]

boatbums: "This interesting site"

Natural law: Your "interesting site" also claims that Jesus is really the Archangel Michael and that Moses was really the Pharoh Tutmoses II for 22 of Tutmoses' 54 year reign. It sure appears your only "standard of evidence" is that it reflects negatively on the Church. If you were a Christian you should be embarrassed and ashamed for attempting such a smear. However, it looks like you are leaning towards the Jehova's Witnesses, so I am not holding my breath.

That's typical of Boatbum's and the like's posts -- they will ally themselves with anyone against the Church -- even those that claim that Jesus was the Archangel Michael. Of course, some may believe that...

[boatbums]

Do you know for a fact that “ so many who prate the verse ‘that every knee will bow’ actually never do it”?

Of course he can't, ONLY God sees the heart. Bending the knee, saying words, doing good deeds, all those things can and are faked every day. God sees the heart. He is the one that says every knee WILL bow and every tongue WILL confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the GLORY of God.

Isaiah 45:22-24 King James Version (KJV)

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Romans 14:10-12 King James Version (KJV)

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Philippians 2:9-11 King James Version (KJV)

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[D-fendr]

I wonder if the same thinking would have it that Paul just renamed the pagan “unknown god” Jesus.

[Running On Empty]

Thanks for this response to the matter of “hope”-—which is one of the three theological virtues.

There are about 60 mentions of “hope” in the New Testament alone (and about as many in the OT). The mention of Hope in the NT-—especially in the Pauline epistles, but also in Peter and 1John are especially beautiful.

It might be helpful to clarify what is meant by “no hoping”, as was posted by smvoice.

[boatbums]

In before the *it doesn’t really mean what it says, it means what we say it says*.

More likely, "I meant the part about Mary dying before she was bodily assumed into Heaven. That part is optional."

[boatbums]

"The charge made against Catholicism is not only specious it is against all of Christianity for the reasons I said in my last post."

Specious isn't the half of it. Nothing is quite so irritating as an bigot with a search engine. We are presented with an endless stream of false premises presented as appeals to ignorance. Some think that all they need to do to prove the truth of any accusation is to provide a link to it under the premise that if it is on the "internets" it must be true.

I can imagine it IS quite irritating that we have such an easy method to extract information that in the past required an expensive library or access to one. The Internet has been both a blessing and a curse - I'm not at all implying that everything on it is true. But, come on, when we can see multiple research papers and articles that point to ancient religions and their symbols and then see those very same symbols used in a religion that also claims antiquity, it's should be logical to question why. That you do nothing but disparage and name call anyone who uses such information, shows an inability to prove it wrong. If you have evidence contrary to what these sources say, post it. It's that simple.

If all you can offer is disdain, curses and superiority as your "input", perhaps open religion forums are not your cup of tea. Respect should be mutual and expected when we dialog with others.

[boatbums]

That's typical of Boatbum's and the like's posts -- they will ally themselves with anyone against the Church -- even those that claim that Jesus was the Archangel Michael. Of course, some may believe that...

Speak for yourself. As I already told NL, I was posting the article that compared ancient pagan symbolism with that of the Catholic Church. I also showed that this was NOT fabricated information with additional sources. It's really too bad that no source BUT Roman Catholic ones are acceptable to you guys, but that is obviously too narrow and biased to be objective, as we know all too well. Your church has a history of destroying any and all "unapproved" documentation and usually the writers along with them. I thank God he saw fit to allow much to survive.

[boatbums]

I wonder if the same thinking would have it that Paul just renamed the pagan “unknown god” Jesus.

No, that is NOT what Paul did. What he DID do was to tell the men in Athens that the temple they dedicated to The Unknown God - hoping that any they left out wouldn't be offended and do bad things to them, built a temple to basically "any and all gods, etc.", that there was only, one true God:

Acts 17:22-24

Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

[Cronos]

oh, I am speaking for myself -- as I said

boatbums: "This interesting site"

Natural law: Your "interesting site" also claims that Jesus is really the Archangel Michael and that Moses was really the Pharoh Tutmoses II for 22 of Tutmoses' 54 year reign. It sure appears your only "standard of evidence" is that it reflects negatively on the Church. If you were a Christian you should be embarrassed and ashamed for attempting such a smear. However, it looks like you are leaning towards the Jehova's Witnesses, so I am not holding my breath.

That's typical of Boatbum's and the like's posts -- they will ally themselves with anyone against the Church -- even those that claim that Jesus was the Archangel Michael. Of course, some may believe that...

I guess your 'sing and dance to ignore oblivion" little group is now moving towards it's idea that Jesus is just the ARchangel Michael

No wonder -- always reformatting I guess, that's your group.

The fact is that your group takes pagan beliefs as its own, rejecting Christianity bit by bit until finally your group will join the Wiccans.

congratulations

[Cronos]

oh, I am speaking for myself -- as I said

boatbums: "This interesting site"

Natural law: Your "interesting site" also claims that Jesus is really the Archangel Michael and that Moses was really the Pharoh Tutmoses II for 22 of Tutmoses' 54 year reign. It sure appears your only "standard of evidence" is that it reflects negatively on the Church. If you were a Christian you should be embarrassed and ashamed for attempting such a smear. However, it looks like you are leaning towards the Jehova's Witnesses, so I am not holding my breath.

That's typical of Boatbum's and the like's posts -- they will ally themselves with anyone against the Church -- even those that claim that Jesus was the Archangel Michael. Of course, some may believe that...

I guess your 'sing and dance to ignore oblivion" little group is now moving towards it's idea that Jesus is just the ARchangel Michael

No wonder -- always reformatting I guess, that's your group.

The fact is that your group takes pagan beliefs as its own, rejecting Christianity bit by bit until finally your group will join the Wiccans.

congratulations

boatbums: It's really too bad that no source BUT Roman Catholic ones are acceptable to you guys

uh-uh, I'm sorry, but if sites that say Jesus is just the Archangel Michael is acceptable to your group, then go ahead. The rest of us Christians will just laugh at your group's descent to the oblivion it tries so hard to dance and sing away.

[Cronos]

the same thinking would have it that Paul just renamed the pagan “unknown god” Jesus.

Yes, that's where Boatbums' and other such groups are headed towards.

They chip away a bit and a bit away from Christianity, protesting each time about every thing, until finally they become like the Jehovah's Witnesses.

For example, next week the North-Western Evangelical Bible-Reformed branch of PresbyMennonCongregationalutherAdventipentecostathism is due to split into the Central-North-Western Evangelical Bible-Reformed branch of PresbyMennonCongregationalutherAdventipentecostathism and the Central-Southern-North-Western Evangelical Bible-Reformed branch of PresbyMennonCongregationalutherAdventipentecostathism, but this is good driven as there as a dispute in the Congregation on matters of doctrine, Bobama thought that he should be Preach-pasto-Prophet Elder on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and alternate Sundays while Michelle thought that she should be that -- as she had yoga-pilates-kickboxing class on Thursdays.

[HossB86]

The Sacrament of Confession.

Nice try; wrong nonetheless. Try actually reading those passages. They say NOTHING about the establishment of confession as a sacrament.

Hoss

[metmom]

That’s what I thought.