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Faith AND works. Is the book of James in your Bible?


17 posted on 10/22/2011 2:45:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Faith and the grace of God? We are saved by the grace of God so we may not boast, that’s in there too, we can pick and choose pieces to fit what we like, but in the end... catholics are more comparable to pharisees and saducees than christians.


57 posted on 10/22/2011 5:57:24 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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Yes James is in my Bible.

Works as evidence of faith, for sure. Works required as part of salvation, NO.


87 posted on 10/22/2011 8:36:38 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture....all should be preserved)
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Faith AND works. Is the book of James in your Bible?

You mean the book written to the Jews???

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

It's in my bible...But perhaps Ephesians, the book written to the church is not in yours...

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

So tell me, how can you comment on James without commenting on Ephesians...Are you ignorant of the book of Ephesians or are you possibly being dishonest by avoiding it???

102 posted on 10/23/2011 1:11:13 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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Faith AND works. Is the book of James in your Bible?

No where in the book of James does he say works are needed for salvation...

The book of James was written to a converted church , not heathens seeking salvation . It tells them how their conversion is seen by the unsaved world . It is not about becoming saved or being saved. It is about the fruit of your salvation.

Eighteen times in this short letter James calls them Sisters and brothers
This is not a letter telling men how to be saved..

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

This is an amplification of the teaching of Jesus that we know a tree by the fruit it bears. It is how we know the saved from the unsaved. It does not declare that the man has faith ...but that he SAYS he has faith.

This addresses a hollow profession of faith , not a saving one .Can a hollow profession save him? NO, any more than works can save.This scripture says to the church that this faith is non existent , it is dead.

The bible is clear that it is God that gives the faith and it is God that ordains the works of the saved

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Hbr 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

159 posted on 10/23/2011 3:07:56 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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