Do you believe God saves men against their own will? Does God force men to be saved?
That’s the big error in the alvinist POV: God’s not satisfied with damning a person before the beginning of creation, but after the person is dead, he’d have to resurrect him and tell him, “I’m going to punish you in hell forever because you perfectly—though you had no choice—followed the plan I set out for you since before the beginning of the world, all for my good pleasure and greater glory.” That’s just perverse piling on. And again we have to ask, “Glory before whom?” If all is created by God and determined by God, then there is no other “who” before whom glory, to whatever degree, is to be manifest and no context within which glory would even have any meaning. The whole thing is nothing more than an audience of one, the sound of that one’s hands clapping. Even Zen makes more sense than that.
They believe they are robots made by a robot-maker that creates some robots evil and creates others "good" and programs the evil to do evil and the good to do good.
in fact, they don't even "believe in" or "love" the robotmaker -- they are programmed to do some things -- evil and good.
Then, at the end of times, those with the Brahmin elite elect stamp go to heaven and the others, programmed to do evil by the robotmaker go to eternal torment
In fact, their entire philosophy of pre-programming means that they do not believe in the salvation of Christ — there was no need for this in their pre-programmed philosophy — it was just the sadistic tendencies of the robot-maker they worship. They are not Christian
This is an interesting couple of questions. Loaded, to be sure, but interesting nonetheless.
The first: Absolutely no. What the Scriptures describe is that God manages, or perhaps manipulates, the will of men to turn toward Him. They begin as "enemies" of God, which is a tragic but truthful situation. He, out of the counsel of His will, determines to extend mercy and adopt some of them. To those whom He adopts, His Spirit begins to soften their hearts and they begin to want Him...deeply.
Prior to this regeneration, faith is not possible and no man is actually seeking God irrespective of what he believes. This is Paul's argument from Scripture (Rom. 3:10ff: There is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks for God.) Once regenerated, the man's will is maneuvered to want Christ, to want rescue, to want forgiveness. The Holy Spirit invades his life and amplifies these experiences and causes the man to grow in this grace and understanding.
The second: Does this "force" men to be saved? Well, clearly if a man is at emnity with God to begin with, the action upon his soul is not in accord with his will when this begins. It is common to hear that prevenient grace (enough for anyone to respond) has been shed upon men, but this is not the biblical view. Only specific grace is sufficient to respond just as Acts 13:48 describes.
This may seem like a "forcing" and perhaps it is. I am grateful then that God forces it, if that is what is happening. Us blockheaded humans don't have the equipment on board to get out of the street, so we are grateful when our Heavenly Father reaches out and drags us to Himself. And, our job is to collect all of the data describing this process into a cohesive message. Rome's message does not comport with all the data.
The last few posts full of ranting about this view being Brahman (Hindu?) or some kind of automaton experience are curious.