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Monument to Babek (Irani fighter against Islam) to be erected in Baku
abc.az ^ | 7.9.2011 | abc.az

Posted on 09/07/2011 1:17:21 AM PDT by Cronos

President Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan has disposed to erect a monument to distinguished Azerbaijani commander Babek.

Under the decree the monument will be erected to educate young generation in a patriotic spirit. Executive Branch of Baku city has been charged to submit proposals on the monument erection to Azerbaijani President at a month’s notice. The Cabinet of Ministers has been charged to solve the issues following the decree.

Babek (Babak Khorramdin or Hasan on one of sources) was born in Ardebil (modern Iran) , as a leader of Khurramits (Zoroastrian sect) waged an armed struggle with Arab expansion and Islamization of Azerbaijan in 816-837. The fighting took place mainly at the territory of contemporary Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic and Iranian Azerbaijan (South Azerbaijan). He is considered national hero of Azerbaijan and Iran. Babek’s glorification in modern Azerbaijan started in 1941.An epic film " Babek" was made about him in 70s of the XX century. A monument to him has been erected in Babek city of Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan.


TOPICS: Current Events; Other non-Christian
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; arabs; azerbaijan; babakkhorramdin; egypt; iran; islam; pakistan; zoroastrianism
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To: no-to-illegals; GiovannaNicoletta; odds
Talking about a country's past also is important as most of the Middle Eastern countries had a lot of Christian history as well

The Pakis have no influence with Iran except as a customer of their oil. AFAIK Iranis as a people distrust Pakistan and at the state level Iran sees Pakistan as a Shia persecuting state with Nuclear weapons -- Sunni nukes.

The Pakis would share their nukes with the SAudis or UAE (as the guys who give the Pakis money), but not Iran

41 posted on 09/08/2011 10:03:25 PM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: cradle of freedom

Yes, “Islam kills the mind”.

Regardless, most Iranians have continued to retain many aspects of their pre-Islamic culture, and their pre-Islamic social & religious traditions & customs. Even today, the average Iranian practices a blend of Zoroastrianism & Islam; although, many may not recognize that they do. — The same can not be said for most Pakis or Egyptians (my *other* point in post #19).

The “underground” education of Iranians in their (true) pre-Islamic history, over the past 32 yrs, has been ongoing inside Iran. Hope the west can be of help too.

That said, the main problem in Iran today is the Islamic Mullahs’ regime. The regime is after power & controlling the masses in Iran. Because they are in power & have the means to control the population, they are in a better position to further Islamize the Iranians in Iran. Any deviation from the Islamic norm, if found out, is very harshly punished by the regime.

The bottom line: So long as the regime remains in power, it would be very hard to change the *overall Islamic make-up* of most Iranians in Iran. The regime has to go, and western gov’ts must help to make that happen.


42 posted on 09/10/2011 12:26:33 AM PDT by odds
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To: cradle of freedom; Cronos

I agree re the purpose of the veil.

The long black fabric, covering head to toe, which the Iranian women are forced to wear in today’s Iran is called “chador”. In Persian it literally means “tent” - the fact that the word (”tent”) is also commonly used for “the veil” in Iran is quite revealing.


43 posted on 09/10/2011 12:42:23 AM PDT by odds
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To: cradle of freedom; Cronos
Hollywood should flood the world with movies about the glories of the Persian Empire

I agree w/ your idea, but don't have much faith in Hollywood. Hollywood is into glorifying others.. I blame it on the Persian/Iranian community in the US too. But, realistically, the *secular*, anti-mullah, Persian community abroad does not carry as much weight with Hollywood big shots, as some *others* do, particularly due to lack of sufficient funding, $$$$...

For example, Oliver Stone's movie "Alexander" had several factual errors & historical inaccuracies. Perhaps they should improve their research next time. Some argued that the movie was fiction (or was it 300 that was considered a "fantasy action film", based on a comic book?).

At any rate, "Alexander" (and the film 300, comic book or not) sent all the wrong messages to the Persians/Iranians in Iran & abroad. The fact that in the movie "Alexander", the Persian Queen (Roxana) looked like an African woman didn't help either. (nothing against Africans, just saying...)

44 posted on 09/10/2011 2:10:01 AM PDT by odds
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To: cradle of freedom; Cronos
Islam kills the mind, India is advancing far more than Pakistan because India has more freedom of thought.

Also, India has more 'freedom of thought' because it does not have an Islamic gov't in power to control & regulate people's thinking. Additionally, India has a *secular* constitution, unlike Pakistan & Iran.

The Taliban, for instance, was/is a product of Pakistan (not Afghanistan), supported by Pakistani gov't & funded by the Saudis as well. -- previous FR comment on Afghanistan and the Taliban -- These Islamic gov'ts should not be, in any way, supported by the West. Otherwise, encouraging the People there to move away from Islam becomes impossible, or an uphill battle at best. Even those, such as Iranians & Afghans, who've so far kept much or some of their pre-Islamic identity.

45 posted on 09/10/2011 4:27:16 AM PDT by odds
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To: odds

You know, of course,that the Saudis, including some of the princes were involved in financing 9/11. Saudi Arabia is a false friend carrying out the subtle sabotage of the West while Iran does the direct in-your-face type of assault.


46 posted on 09/10/2011 6:00:56 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

Well, the Saudis are the ones with whom some have had a cozy relationship, from time immemorial...


47 posted on 09/10/2011 6:09:50 PM PDT by odds
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To: odds; cradle of freedom
I've not seen the movie Alexander. Just wikipedia'd it -- Rosario Dawson was acting as Roxana (Roshanna). While Rosario is beautiful, the real Roxana was similar to a Tajik woman like

That was kind of silly to put an African-American instead of a Persian or even a Northern Indian. The features of Rosario, while pretty, are not that of a Sogdian princess of the 3rd century BC

48 posted on 09/11/2011 12:11:35 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: cradle of freedom; odds; no-to-illegals; ravager

Saudia is a false friend. It was formed by the union between the Wahabbis and the Saudi royal family. This is why the Saudis finance Wahabbi madrassas all over the world. They have successfully radicalized much of the Sunni Islamic world in their own Saudi image.


49 posted on 09/11/2011 12:14:35 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos
Not sure what the Real (Rokhsaaneh - رخسانہ) - not "Roshanna" - looked like. They also depicted Alexander ("Eskandar" in Persian language) as a bisexual in the movie; not sure about that either & I am really not interested to know. -- Anyhow, the whole thing had so many factual & historical inaccuracies that we thought it had to be a joke. Nonetheless it was entertaining. You should get the DVD, for free if you can!
50 posted on 09/11/2011 12:52:27 AM PDT by odds
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To: cradle of freedom; Cronos
Imagine movies, tshirts, mugs, action hero toys, Persian princess dolls etc. etc.

Is Walt Disney listening? :-)

51 posted on 09/11/2011 1:08:37 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Cronos

Thanks for the ping back to here. Full agreement regarding Saudi being false friend.


52 posted on 09/11/2011 6:48:06 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: odds

If you know any Persian business people, could you please pass on the ideas about the Persian dolls, mugs, tshirts etc? Pop culture things have a way of crossing borders and traveling to other countries. Subtle things can have an effect on people in a subliminal way.


53 posted on 09/12/2011 5:12:28 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: odds

Another form of Persian expression would be books, comic books and coloring books about Persian history and culture. Are there any Persian fraternal organizations? They might be interested in having some coloring books printed up.


54 posted on 09/12/2011 5:15:43 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

I like your ideas in #s 53 & 54. There are quite a few Persian cultural organizations in the US. A couple of them which I trust are Zoroastrian ones in N. America. I do know of a couple in Australia (where I live). Will pass on your thoughts & suggestions. Thank you.


55 posted on 09/12/2011 9:32:26 PM PDT by odds
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To: odds

Thanks.


56 posted on 09/13/2011 1:30:59 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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