Monument to Babek (Irani fighter against Islam) to be erected in Baku

abc.az ^ | 7.9.2011 | abc.az

[Cronos]

President Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan has disposed to erect a monument to distinguished Azerbaijani commander Babek.

Under the decree the monument will be erected to educate young generation in a patriotic spirit. Executive Branch of Baku city has been charged to submit proposals on the monument erection to Azerbaijani President at a month’s notice. The Cabinet of Ministers has been charged to solve the issues following the decree.

Babek (Babak Khorramdin or Hasan on one of sources) was born in Ardebil (modern Iran) , as a leader of Khurramits (Zoroastrian sect) waged an armed struggle with Arab expansion and Islamization of Azerbaijan in 816-837. The fighting took place mainly at the territory of contemporary Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic and Iranian Azerbaijan (South Azerbaijan). He is considered national hero of Azerbaijan and Iran. Babek’s glorification in modern Azerbaijan started in 1941.An epic film " Babek" was made about him in 70s of the XX century. A monument to him has been erected in Babek city of Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan.

[odds]

I understood. Was, also, taking a futuristic view & referring to your conclusion in post #18: “If we can get these countries to think of their times before Izlam, we have a way of breaking the grip of jhadiism”.

>>>”I meant their historical religions. Manichaenism is a dead religion and Buddhism doesn’t have any preachers there, ditto for Hinduism I think.”<<<

Right, their ‘historical religions’ are dead & no longer relevant to Pakistanis, in particular, now or in the future.

[Cronos]

The Pakis seem a lost cause — they have completed burnt their past and think they are arabs (or rather Islamic Arabs). The Afghanis and others, still have a chance.

[odds]

Yes.

[no-to-illegals]

Thanks for the history lesson odds. I will come back (later), review and do some research to achieve more understanding. The part I did not understand was pointed out, by you, of the majority of Iran's people are not Islamitized. I was under a misperception the people were. Thanking you for all the pings and helping me to attain a level above complete ignorance of Iran and Iran's history.

[no-to-illegals]

My gratitude for the ping and history lesson. I noticed at your post #17 and post #18 the key to turning the region is to remind them of their pre-Islamic past. The erection of the statue can only help (imho). Those who view (the statue) may further investigate. Am wondering if violence will be the determination of the statue's existence, as was GiovannaNicoletta question. Included in your post was this comment: I think it is important because Islam basically says that everything before Izlam is unworthy of remembering -- hence the destruction of not only monuments but also memories of pre-Izlamic Arabia (I took the afore comment was in relation to the statue erection) which led me to think you also are worried the statue may never see the light of day.

And then (a little off topic)
Due to the Pakis location in the region, how much influence do the Pakis have with Iran? The Pakis have nukes, and it is thought Iran is well on its way to nukes. Since the Pakis hold nukes and (if I understand) the people of Iran want nukes; are the Pakis influential with any peoples in the region; if they (Pakis) carry no influence in the Arab world, or Iran?

Please excuse my rambling (above) uncertain as to how to frame the question(s).

[odds]

The part I did not understand was pointed out, by you, of the majority of Iran's people are not Islamitized.

Not sure what you mean by "majority of Iran's people are not Islamitized" ? I can't find where I said that. Can you quote me?

Were you referring to my post #16? And, specifically my comment there that most Iranians don't "beat themselves black & blue for their "hero" Hossein i.e. 3rd Shia Imam."? If yes, my previous answer remains: Majority of Iranians, in or outside Iran, do not.

[no-to-illegals]

Yes, was referring to post #16 (as quoted in post #24, and my ignorance showed through once more (LOL) ... Thanks for the clarification. Thus Iran has an Islamic majority and the other Religions mentioned do not comprise a majority able to complete with the actual majority religion of Iran (Islam). Did I get it right?, and the questions regarding Pakistan do you have any insight?

[no-to-illegals]

as was quoted in #26. I was wrong about post being #24.

[odds]

Thus Iran has an Islamic majority and the other Religions mentioned do not comprise a majority able to complete with the actual majority religion of Iran (Islam). Did I get it right?

There seems to be a hang-up on majority "religion" this or that, regarding Iran. In Iran's case at least, imo, it is not about religion right now. It is about Power that the Mullahs' (Islamic) regime exercises in Iran, and wants to retain.

Even if 90% of Iranians in Iran became Christians, Zoroastrians, or Atheists, the Mullahs' regime would still be there. So long as the regime even has 10% or 5% supporters - Iranians and/or Foreigners, inside & outside Iran. That 5 or 10 percent would be sufficiently brutal, have the means & can dominate by sheer force alone. As they currently do. That's the real issue about today's Iran.

Pakistan, so far as Iranian People are concerned, imo, is irrelevant. But, the Mullahs' regime will use Pakistan too, just as any country in the world, to retain power.

Hope the above wasn't too complicated or confusing. (lol) ;-)

Perhaps more tomorrow!

[no-to-illegals]

Thanks odds. Understood fully concerning the mullahs, and agree.

Hope the above wasn't too complicated or confusing. (lol) ;-)
Yep, it has to be simple for me, for I'm simply ignorant of the region. Thanks for the plain English.

[cradle of freedom]

There is lots of history of the Middle East and Islam on the web. All you have to do is go to www.jihadwatch.com. Start reading and sampling the links on the right hand side of the page. Those links go on to other anti-jihadi pages which in turn have links to still other pages. There are hundreds of websites about Islam.

[cradle of freedom]

This is the key to breaking the hold that islam has on the minds of the people. Islam controls people in two ways; from the inside and from the outside. The inside control is over the minds, thinking and identity of the people. The outer control is through coercion and threat. Since people need to believe something inside, making them aware of their pre-islamic past would give them a strong motivation to break free. Half the battle is identity. The muslim leadership understand this as they try to wipe out anything that will remind people of who they were before the muslim invasions. They also know that they brought islam into these countries through the vilest brutality and of course, they don't want people to know what the islamist conquerors did to their ancestors.

Here is something that I have just recently discovered about the meaning of the veil. The veil is another form of terrorism and subjugation. The veil identifies women as being muslim or non-muslim, therefore muslim men know which women are safe to rape. Muslim women cannot be raped while non-muslim women can. The veil keeps muslim women from going outside of islam to date non-muslim men because a veiled woman is identified as a muslim and must not be seen with a non-muslim man. In this way the muslim seed is kept “unpolluted” by the kaffir and the muslims do not lose their women to infidel men. This keeps the muslims apart and hostile to non-muslims since inter-marriage is not allowed. Finally, since not wearing the veil identifies a woman as being “fair game” for rape, the non-muslim population is terrorized and harassed by the rape of their women which is another pressure that over time causes many people to convert to islam so that they will be safe from this abuse.

[cradle of freedom]

Hollywood should flood the world with movies about the glories of the Persian Empire. Imagine movies, tshirts, mugs, action hero toys, Persian princess dolls etc. etc. If I were a business person of Persian ancestry, I would try to promote Persian identity with novels, dolls, toys and anything else that would sell.

[cradle of freedom]

History is a great big movie that we are all in.

[cradle of freedom]

The internet and popular culture are a way of reach the inslaved people behind the iron curtain of islam. The internet and popular culture has a way of getting around borders.

[cradle of freedom]

Islam kills the mind, India is advancing far more than Pakistan because India has more freedom of thought.

[cradle of freedom]

I read an article about the religious party of Pakistan wanting to pass a law that would prohibit the printing of any pre-islamic history in their text books. The pre-islamic period is referred to as “jahiliya”—the period of ignorance. There was no need to learn anything about the pre-islamic period since it was just a time of ignorance.

[no-to-illegals]

Thanks for the information, and please ping me anytime. A bit busy for the moment but will try to go forward with the information as best as can.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Cronos.

[Cronos]

Exactly -- and it's not only Pakistan. Islam tries to say that everything before Islam was bad.

This leads to the ultimate idea of the Taliban -- namely that anything that is not the Koran is bad, hence they banned other books, any music, singing, dancing, sports etc. as deviating one's thoughts from Islam