WELL BEYOND
SUPREMELY PONTIFICALLY PRISSILY ABSURD!
Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
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Hardly — the problem occurs when one rates Paul’s words over the words of Christ. Paul’s writings are scripture, but to quote Paul’s writings in opposition to the Gospels is just wrong. And that is what many do.
oh, I can recall such a lot of it from your group when it supports Benny Hinn and Jesse Duplantis!
We've shown above that going by your group's posts the term "Proddy" is not "Protestant" but just your group with its aliens are God beliefs and considering Jesse Duplantis as real.
Just one question. How can Paul’s words be rated over the words of Christ when it is Christ who by direct revelations to Paul gave him his calling, commission, the dispensation of the grace of God, and the forming of the Church the Body of Christ? The words that Paul received were received by direct revelation of Jesus Christ. Christ spoke to him. Face to face and mouth to mouth. As his Epistles and letters prove.
What is it with guys, carrying on with the incessant arguments over such a simple thing???
Yeah, I think that’s how it did start. It was then contended that a generation was only 20 years when I pointed out that all of the New Testament books were written by 96AD. I had posted a list of the NT books and the dates attributed to them saying it had not been generations after Christ.
Just getting caught up, so if you haven't gotten to my previous question about alternates for Mary, don't worry about it. You have answered it here.
This last sentence caught my eye. You said Mary's "flesh" clothed Jesus in his incarnate form. Are you familiar with embryology? The fertilized egg and then embryo (we don't know at what exact stage the human Jesus took up residence in Mary's womb) is completely separate from the mother's. The DNA is different and even the blood type is different. The baby is NOT and never has been the "flesh" of the mother. In fact, in some cases, the developing child gets treated as a foreign substance in some mothers and her antibodies work to kill the invading cells. A negative Rh factor mother will develop antibodies against an Rh positive baby, and after the first child is born - without a special injection to prevent it from happening - subsequent pregnancies with Rh positive babies are threatened.
Not intending to give a biology lesson, but I was surprised to see a statement that implied Jesus' incarnate body was clothed with Mary's flesh. That is not a correct statement. If you mean her womb protected Jesus' incarnate body for the months he was in utero, then - never mind. ;o)
That is how you see it, but to a Muslim - based on what the Catechism says as well as what your Pope said to the Muslim youth - they are told they worship the SAME god. I know it is hard to admit that the higher-ups in your church could ever be wrong about anything, but they are about this. Pretending that Allah and Jehovah are the same is diabolical! It does NOT help in evangelizing them to the truth.
Nope, they simply understand how things are. This is the wisdom of the Magisterium, not the god that so many Protestants see starting back at them when they look in the mirror.
This little hobby-horse of yours calling non-Catholics worshipers of themselves is stale and broken. Your "wise" magesterium have failed miserably with the Muslim issue. It's too bad those who hold your eternity in their hands can be so clumsy.
And exactly what would that "extra-Scriptural" work be? I contend that it was the teachings of Jesus as well as the disciples to whom he both taught and later, through the indwelling Holy Spirit, brought to their memories and further revealed to them. That revelation is contained within the Scriptures and I do not think one bit of truth was omitted from them. We have today what God intended for us to know and have. Every basic tenet of the Christian faith is authorized by Scripture. Any doctrine contrived outside of the authority of Scripture is not and should not be binding upon a believer.
Don't make me laugh! Can you acknowledge that false religions worship false gods? In many cases these "gods" do not exist in any form or manner and in others, it is really a demon that is being worshiped. My stating someone worships a false god does not say I believe there are actually other gods than the one, true, Almighty God - Jehovah. C'mon, you can do better than that!
Of course you didn't. You weren't reading the part about the kingly priesthood of all the saints.
since Christ is the only intercessor foe man.
I think you meant fo' man. Fo' sho'? :-)
It helps to read on either side of the text one which one is relying:
1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. 3 This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.I think Paul says that we are "in Christ", that we are a new creation. It is neither we on our own toot or Mary on HER own toot who can possibly serve as mediators of any kind. But to be in Christ, to be vivified with his spirit (because we have died in him and the natural tendency to death of rebellious flesh has, in some sense, come to its deathly conclusion) is to share in his ministry. That is why there is also a ministry of reconciliation which is given to at least some because they are in Him.
He is the one mediator. We are in Him. We share in his mediating work.
Because we forget this, we end up sounding foolish and say things like, "Prayer works," which by themselves sound magical. It is God who works. He worked in and through Jesus. And now that we are in Jesus, He works in and through us, not through our merits or indeed anything that is ours, but through the merits, the very being, of the slain and risen God.
That's how I see it. Otherwise all talk of human mediation, whether of Mary or of you, is silly. But when you, being in Christ, say, "I'll pray for you," that's some powerful stuff.
Kind of you to say so, bro.
I DO recognize that, if it weren’t for my modesty, my genius would be dazzling.
Os is that the insomnia talking?
It is in that sense, or something like it, that Mary is a source.
(b) Occasionally some writers, de Montfort (whom I simply LOVE) among them, will go clear over the top, and if it weren't for other assurances of their orthodoxy, one could think they were mariolaters.
Our non- and anti- Catholics brethren come into the discussion sure we are unorthodox, and they see texts which seem safe if enthusiastic to us and draw conclusions from which, if they had drunk deep of the Pierian Spring, their sober consideration would protect them.
(My syntax IS involved when I write in my sleep.)
You'd be comfortable among the Catholics then. I've been Catholic for almost 17 years, and a more disorganized bunch I have never seen.
There are two ways I can save you from quicksand. I can pull you out once you are in, or I cankeep you from falling in in the first place. In either case I have 'saved' you.
Mary was prevented, we think, from falling in in the first place, so she was 'saved' the second way.
Yeah. We had it first.
It is true that when one approaches the study of Catholic teaching one is coming late to a conversation of, in some sense, almost 2,000 years duration.
Consequently, just as any group engaged in the same enterprise develops its own jargon, Catholic teaching has developed a vocabulary which may seem opaque or arbitrary to those who left the conversation almost half a thousand years ago.
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