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To: Jvette; HossB86
To be scrupulously fair, I can see that sometimes (a) what we say COULD SEEM to present Mary as a source of all grace. it6 helps to have and to 'cleave to' a rigorous conceptof parenthood. A mother is in some sense source, but of something that is only half hers. We can think of the faucet as the source of water, but we also remember that the water came from something even 'behind and prior to' the well.

It is in that sense, or something like it, that Mary is a source.

(b) Occasionally some writers, de Montfort (whom I simply LOVE) among them, will go clear over the top, and if it weren't for other assurances of their orthodoxy, one could think they were mariolaters.

Our non- and anti- Catholics brethren come into the discussion sure we are unorthodox, and they see texts which seem safe if enthusiastic to us and draw conclusions from which, if they had drunk deep of the Pierian Spring, their sober consideration would protect them.

(My syntax IS involved when I write in my sleep.)

997 posted on 09/06/2011 1:16:41 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Lera; marbren; navygal; ...
(b) Occasionally some writers, de Montfort (whom I simply LOVE) among them, will go clear over the top, and if it weren't for other assurances of their orthodoxy, one could think they were mariolaters.

Sorry, Bro, I can't let that slide.

That assertion constitutes a horrific RC double standard.

What's good for Benny Hinn is good for Montfort.

I personally think Benny Hinn is more than a little off the wall in a list of ways. Not only do some of his pronouncements strike me as horrifically unBiblical, some of his actions come across to me as arrogant and off the wall.

Yet, he purportedly believes Christ came in the flesh and the basic doctrines of the Christian faith. Further, it appears that GOD, HOLY SPIRIT has seemed to ignore some such [though He evidently took Benny to the woodshed for a period of time to some effect] and continued to work through Benny to the spiritual and healing benefit of thousands.

Whether, as some of us believe, God will eventually clean such folks clocks big time and/or remove them from ministry, remains to be seen.

It has always been God's habit to use very strange characters . . . and thereby to confound the "wise" in their own eyes with such questionable characters.

And, we have an old timer FREEPER who's been in Benny's church for a considerable period of time and affirms Benny's more or less authentic Christianity--at least for a period of time.

I shake my head and conclude that I'm thankful I'm not Benny's supervisor, God is. I'm not Benny's judge, God is.

Jesse DuPlantis is in a different category, to me. Jesse's a 1,000% more congruent with Scripture, with himself, with God's priorities etc. Whatever off the wall or SEEMINGLY off the wall assertions attributable to him come across to me as the more or less minor sorts of things flawed humans pontificate about from time to time.

In any case, their nonsensical, un/extra Biblical pontifications come across to me as wild haired conjectures. So what. Opinions are a Chinese fen [about a 1/10th or less of a penney] a thousand.

The wild haired assertions of MANY Rabid RC's hereon have been AT LEAST as off the wall and proffered as ABSOLUTE MAGICSTERICAL PROMULGATED TRUTH instead of their personal conjectures.

The stuff in Ferraro's Devotional should make any authentic Christian's hair curl it is sooooooo HIDEOUSLY UNBIBLICAL AND OUTRAGEOUSLY BRAZENLY IDOLATROUS. Labeling it merely "enthusiastic" is like labeling deliberately hellishly treasonous, demonized Shrillery and OThuga merely clumsy and slightly misguided.

It's like taking Montfort et al and their outrageously idolatrous assertions and labeling them inconsequential because they have jumped through all the organizational hoops otherwise. Or because they flatter the Magicsterical with compliance sufficiently to have the Magicsterical's favor. Or because they believe the same outrageously idolatrous hogwash from hell that the Magicsterical believes.

And THEN Rabid Clique RC's hereon have the unmitigated duplicitous, hypocritical, brazen gall to point the finger at even the likes of Benny Hinn???!!! Gimme a break.

Montfort, Ferraro et all are talking about a super key priority of GOD ALMIGHTY.

YOU SHALL HAVE
!NO!
OTHER GODS
[IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM OR DEGREE]
BEFORE ME!

There's NO ROOM for conjecture or personal opinion on that score. IDOLATRY IS IDOLATRY. Whitewashing it does not wash it away in the least.

Dressing it up in Magicsterical weasel-worded double-speak doesn't change it a microgram's worth in God's eyes nor on the eternal ledger.

To swallow and PRACTICE such INSTITUTIONALLY PROFFERED, ENCOURAGED, REWARDED, PRAISED, EMBELLISHED AND BRAZEN idolatry AS CLEARLY A SHOCKING NUMBER ON FR DEFINITELY DO

AND THEN

to throw rocks at nonsense from the likes of Benny Hinn is beyond hypocritically idiotic. It is virulent duplicity of the worst sort.

At least with Benny Hinn, many Pentecostals call him to task and note to their flock to watch out for his obvious flaws.

On the RC side, it's circle the wagons and defend BRAZENLY DEMONIC IDOLATRY AS KOSHER--EVEN REQUIRED RC DOGMA. And y'all think God is amused? I've got news for you. He's !NOT!


1,033 posted on 09/06/2011 6:56:28 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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