Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
Once, again, metmom a very informative post. With all the Romans Catholics here - wonder why they wasn’t posted before. Well, second thought, I DO KNOW why! LOL!
I've got nothing to prove and don't care what you think. You are the one working desperately to establish some validity and credibility. You raised the issue, I questioned your meanings. Unless you want to let the shadow over your rant stand and be seen as a bitter, desperate ex-Catholic, you explain it. I really don't care one way or the other.
Oh what a tangled web we weave.
Well, the Church did much more than declare Hebrews as part of the New Testament canon. At the Council of Trent, they said this:
Of the New Testament: the four Gospels, according [Page 19] to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John; the Acts of the Apostles written by Luke the Evangelist; fourteen epistles of Paul the apostle, (one) to the Romans, two to the Corinthians, (one) to the Galatians, to the Ephesians, to the Philippians, to the Colossians, two to the Thessalonians, two to Timothy, (one) to Titus, to Philemon, to the Hebrews; two of Peter the apostle, three of John the apostle, one of the apostle James, one of Jude the apostle, and the Apocalypse of John the apostle. (http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct04.html
Nor is it implicitly mentioned...And it IS denied and IS impossible...
It is one of those doctrines, like the Trinity, that are implicit in Scripture.It may be implicit for those of you who do not believe the scriptures but for the sheep, it's explicit...
It is hard to get used to tho...I can sit here and look at some scriptures that describe the Trinity and you can come along and say, 'it's not there...I don't see it'...
God left us some scriptures that explain how and why that happens, but ya really hate to think God really would blind the eyes of some folks so they wouldn't see the truth...
Prove it, chapter and verse. Nobody is going to take your word for it.
Interesting. And who do we know that INSISTS that they have Apostolic Succession???
boatbums,
The council was not settling an issue of authorship. It was merely defining what books as they were commonly understood in that day. That was the issue - how many inspired books were there, not who wrote each book. Thus, according to the traditional understanding St. Paul was called the author - but that wasn’t the issue being defined.
Though the Catholic Church tries to whitewash or excuse away the inquisitions they do admit that it did happen and the leadership of the Church was responsible. These quotes from the Catholic library itself indicates that the Church was complicit, the inquisition did happen, deaths did happen, and Church leaders were involved.
“In fact, no one knows exactly how many people perished through the various Inquisitions.” (http://www.catholic.com/library/Inquisition.asp) Not denying that people perished but questioning the numbers of how many perished.
“We can determine for certain, though, one thing about numbers given by Fundamentalists: They are far too large.”(http://www.catholic.com/library/Inquisition.asp) Only that the numbers are too large, not that they didn’t occur.
So it would appear that even the official information from the Catholic Encyclopedia would differ with your take. It’s evident from that information that your claims are false.
I posted that paragraph for one reason. It was in response to a poster who claimed the RCC never was involved with anyone killed or burned at the stake. I knew the numbers in that paragraph were way too high. I also knew it would bring up the subject and prove that indeed the RCC was involved and it worked rather well. Look back at the post. I said “this should get your blood boiling”. It worked and worked well.
Don’t you ever wonder if some people talked in real life the same way they write, that their noses would be so high up in the air that they would trip over their own feet? Or if it rained, they would drown? I do. ;o)
By the way, Luther and many of the “Reformers” denied St. Paul wrote the Letter to the Hebrews.
That struck me also when I read that verse.
Table for Pre-20th Century Democide
Oh my goodness. Well, well, well. Not small numbers for sure. I’m sure the denials will be coming soon.
Jeremiah 15:16
Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.
Proverbs 30:5
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Luke 8:11
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Luke 8:21
And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
Luke 11:28
But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Thank God the thought police of today do not have the power to execute people!
That’s why we have been saying that it’s dangerous to put faith in any organized religion or religious leader. For sure there is no organized religion that does not have its skeletons and leaders for sure are fallible. Scripture is the only sure source.
I fear we will watch as more and more organized religions fall away from true teaching.
I am one of them...
And do you know why we believe that??? Because there is scripture that tells us that for one, and the Holy Spirit confirms that with our spirit that it is so...And there's a few hundred million of us that know that...
Obviously you don't understand what happens to a person when he/she becomes a Christian...Your religion didn't tell you and you didn't look at enough of God's word to find out for yourself...
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Your religion is built on human philosophy...It is built on human reasoning and human logic...
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
We are 'complete' in God...
A Christian has an operation...A Spiritual operation...As the OT saints had a physical circumcision, we have a Spiritual circumcision...
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
I suspect these verses are nothing more than gibberish to Catholics...A metaphor that has no meaning to you guys...
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
This is not a water baptism...This is a Spiritual baptism...Everything in these verses is spiritual...That's why the philosophers of your religion don't have a clue what this is all about...
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
The laws that you guys want to follow to try to be good enough to get to heaven; Jesus took them out of the way and nailed them to the Cross...
Here's a description of the operation...
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Our soul and spirit is severed from our bones and marrow (and flesh)...And then what happens??? Our flesh is called the old man and our spirit is called the new man...Both living together and constantly fighting...
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
It's the spiritual man inside of you that is created in rightousness and holiness...RIGHT NOW...IF you have prayed the sinner's prayer...
So to answer your thoughts of can we do anything we want and get away with it??? The real question is can we sin and still be forgiven by God...The answer is yes, and here's why...
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
We can not help but sin...There is no one who does not sin...
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Do you delight in the law of God after the inward man and want to please God, or do you avoid sin because you fear God will kick you out of his family for doing so???
Who goes to heaven when you die??? Your flesh??? Not a chance...It's corrupt and full of sin...It's the soul that goes to heaven...The inward man...Your flesh won't make it UNTIL it has been made uncorrupt...
Don't believe everything (or anything) they tell you...That warning is given in the beginning of the bible, the middle of the bible and at the end of the bible...
You don't need that warning in every book to see what God's intentions are...
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