Posted on 06/13/2011 3:57:07 PM PDT by HarleyD
There is only ONE DOOR and it isn’t Mary.
Hmmm. Where in scripture, is Mary given the titles Queen of heaven?
brother has shades of meaning because Aramaic and other Semitic languages do not differentiate between a blood brother/sister and a cousin or other
For example
The NT was written in Greek, ok -- not all, but let's take your argument for the sake of argument. Remember also that the words of Jesus were mostly Aramaic or Hebrew or maybe even GReek -- we've already shown that in SEmitic languages like Aramaic/hebrew there is no differntiating term between a blood brother and a cousin, let's examine the GReek ouch outos estin o tekton o uios Marias adelphos de Iakobou Iose kai Iouda kai Simonos
If the term is that the adelphoi have the same mother then it would be ho adelphos But that is not used. Without the article adelphos is non-specific and non-exclusive and can mean kinsmen, relatives
So, does one say that because we use the term "God of Light" for Jesus, Jesus is some kind of pagan god?
Just because there were pagan gods who used the same title? Really?
Lera: He is KING OF KINGS
Wait -- Daniel 2:37 addressed to Nebuchadnezzar 37Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. -- shock! Jesus is given a title that was once used by a PAGAN king!
does this mean that in such logic (and this is a question mind you), that Jesus is a pagan god
Lera: He is KING OF KINGS
Wait -- Osiris, the Egyptian God from 2000 BC was called King of Kings -- shock! Jesus is given a title that was once used by a PAGAN king!
does this mean that in such logic as in your post that Jesus is a pagan god?
Lera: He is LORD OF LORDS
Wait -- Osiris, the Egyptian God from 2000 BC was called "He was called Lord of Lords, King of Kings, God of Gods...the Resurrection and the Life, the Good shepherd...the god who 'made men and women be born again" -- shock! Jesus is given a title that was once used by a PAGAN god!
does this mean that in such logic as in your post that Jesus is a pagan god? Just because the titles are the same?
you still haven’t answered — “king of kings”, “lord of lord”, “god of light” are all titles that were given to old pagan gods — and given to Christ or the Father. Does this, according to your logic, make them pagan gods?
REALLY? And Psalm 69 just 2 verses before your excerpt says
5O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.So, if this is supposed to be Jesus, are you, bkaycee, saying that Jesus sinned?
Maybe just like your namesake you have swallowed a swaddled stone . Yeshua is not a cracker locked in a box and Mary is not the door .
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
If you are trying to reach “ The Father” through Mary then you just might have a swaddled stone instead since Yeshua said he was THE DOOR and the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER .
Perhaps you did.
Psalm 69 O God of Israel, 7Because for Thy sake I have borne reproach; Dishonor has covered my face. 8 I have become estranged from MY BROTHERS, and an alien to my MOTHERS SONS.
Are my mothers sons, My COUSINS?
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/messianic_prophecies.html
So, if this is supposed to be Jesus, are you, bkaycee, saying that Jesus sinned?Psalm 69 is recognized by the Catholic Church as messianic. Is the Roman church also claiming Jesus was a sinner?
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/messianic_prophecies.html
So no matter what scripture plainly states about Mary, Roman Catholics cannot agree because it will cost them salvation. This also displays the "actual" pecking order of authority in Rome, Church 1st, Scripture subordinate.
REALLY? And Psalm 69 just 2 verses before your excerpt says
5O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.So, if this is supposed to be Jesus, are you, bkaycee, saying that Jesus sinned? why? Why do you say that? Christianity says Jesus was without sin -- don't you believe that?
So, does one say that because we use the term "God of Light" for Jesus, Jesus is some kind of pagan god?
Just because there were pagan gods who used the same title? Really?
Lera: He is KING OF KINGS
Wait -- Daniel 2:37 addressed to Nebuchadnezzar 37Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. -- shock! Jesus is given a title that was once used by a PAGAN king!
does this mean that in such logic (and this is a question mind you), that Jesus is a pagan god
Lera: He is KING OF KINGS
Wait -- Osiris, the Egyptian God from 2000 BC was called King of Kings -- shock! Jesus is given a title that was once used by a PAGAN king!
does this mean that in such logic as in your post that Jesus is a pagan god?
Lera: He is LORD OF LORDS
Wait -- Osiris, the Egyptian God from 2000 BC was called "He was called Lord of Lords, King of Kings, God of Gods...the Resurrection and the Life, the Good shepherd...the god who 'made men and women be born again" -- shock! Jesus is given a title that was once used by a PAGAN god!
does this mean that in such logic as in your post that Jesus is a pagan god? Just because he has a title that was earlier given to a pagan god?
you still havent answered king of kings, lord of lord, god of light are all titles that were given to old pagan gods and given to Christ or the Father. Does this, according to your logic, make them pagan gods? how could you or anyone believe this?
The Titles "king of kings","Lord of lords", "God of Light" even "El" were all applied to pagan gods/kings from Osiris to Baal to Nebuchadnezzar
Do you mean to say that just because Jesus was given the same titles as Osiris, Jesus is the same as Osiris, the Egyptian God?
5O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.So, if this is supposed to be Jesus, are you, bkaycee, saying that Jesus sinned?
Wow, the ways your group's philosophy deviates from Christian thought is amazing!
How ironic that Lera would think it OK to use the word "God", which does have pagan origins, instead of Yahweh or Jehovah while criticizing you.
So, if this is supposed to be Jesus, are you, bkaycee, saying that Jesus sinned?Wow, the ways your group's philosophy deviates from Christian thought is amazing!
Jesus is certainly sinless.
The Roman church recognizes Psalm 69 as Messianic. So using your logic the Roman church considers Jesus a sinner?
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