Posted on 06/13/2011 3:57:07 PM PDT by HarleyD
Careful, you're going to hurt yourself if you keep posting scripture to try and justify your false teaching...
As you posted, hear what the Holy Spirit has to say, NOT your Church...
And that's just what the bible teaches and what we believe...
Cronos to boatbums: It's amazing how contradictory your posts are -- not only on religion but also on mundane matters. On the one hand "crib, crub, ENOUGH, no personal remarks" and one the other hand your posts do the same (Kosta's got a nice list of these too). Aren't those posts hypocritical?...
I see that even with my absence, when there are no agnostics or atheists to badger, Christians—left to their own devices—just smother each other with the love of Christ. Aaaah, that wonderful agape at work...2,000 years, bonefires, daggers and counting... :)
What does that Bible verse say "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” [Matthew 18:20]? Musthave meant someone else...
We Christians say Jesus is God. Moslems consider Him just a prophet.
Leave us Christians (Lutherans, Presbyterians, Catholics, Pentecostals) etc. to discuss these among ourselves, thank you.
Nice -- do you know Greek? Which Greek? Koine?
Did you note my post said brother has shades of meaning because Aramaic and other Semitic languages do not differentiate between a blood brother/sister and a cousin or other
For your education, Greek is an indo-European language, not a Semitic language
If only you had even a microscopic shred of evidence to this claim...
Do you know any language that has gender assigned to inanimate words like rock, chair, bridge, etc.?
Did Mary have other children? The Bible seems to suggest yes. Catholic Tradition says no. Which will you trust?
John ch 19
26When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Some people would have every one believe that the woman who bore and raised the son of God also bore other children who were also followers of Jesus but so noacount that they could not even care for their own mother.
and this is plus the other scriptures that indicate the same thing
I think any one who would buy that just have not give it much thought.
There is no mention of Mary having other children.
This seems to be just a protestant and Catholic thing, the protestants will go to any length to let the world know that they believe the Catholic,s are a false church, but on more important issues like changing the sabbath from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week, they have swallowed that hook, line and sinker.
I do not know for sure who the supposed brethren of Jesus were but i really believe that the protestant Churches are the daughters of the Catholic church, and no i am not a seventh day advent.
I posted nothing but Scripture. I can't help it if you believe Scripture is false teaching.
As you posted, hear what the Holy Spirit has to say, NOT your Church...
Well, I'm sure that's what some want to believe is what the Scriptue I posted says. But it's not. The Scripture actually says "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." Did you catch that last part - to the churches? Not what the Holy Spirit says to you personally, but what it says to the churches. Can you see the difference between what the Scripture says and what you posted?
And that's just what the bible teaches and what we believe...
Yeah right, except for that little problem with truncation. Seriously, y'alls twisting, turning, mutilating, and hacking of Scripture is a joke. Listen to the churches, as the Holy Spirit guides them; not you.
I’m Catholic, but frankly never had a problem with the concept that Mary could have had other kids. However, the verses you listed, the point you make - that is pretty convincing. Thank you very very much.
Indeed, Cronos, he does a fine job perseverating while at the same time whining about it. Yes, that’s hypocrisy.
Do you even know the difference between Greek and Aramaic/Hebrew?
Do you even know the difference between a semitic and an Indo-European language?
Do you know any other language besides English?
your posts have before shown an utter lack of knowledge that there are such things as cases: Genitive, Locative, Nominative, Dative, Vocative, Instrumental and Accusative in a language
Do you know what these are for?
Even in the 1800s, a Lutheran Scholar (Franz Pierper) said for in his Christian dogmatics that the perpetual virginity is the traditional view (in his opinion) for Lutherans.
They knew that if this was removed, the next step was denial of Christ's divinity -- as we see among many of the non-catholic posters here.
It's sad, isn't it? To talk empty rhetoric as if one knew more than the people who knew Christ is just egotistical.
It's like the maroon who talks about extra-biblical stuff and then says "oh, it's ok -- as long as it's one of my song-and-dance pastors"
Sheesh, these B-A'er groups like boatbums's fall under their own contradictions.
I keep hearing you guys sayin' that but what was revealed, to whom and when??? Surely you've got 'something' to offer to back up your claim...
John 21:25 "25And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
Now, what Jesus did was to ensure that His disciples didn't come up with their own intepretations, but to stick to the faith He handed them
hence the need for the Apostles to ensure that their disciples and successors stuck to the faith taught to THEM by Jesus Christ.
hence we believe in the Faith as taught by the Ultimate teachers, Jesus Christ and handed down through the Apostles -- the Apostolic faith in the ONE Holy Catholic Apostolic Church
Do you even know the difference between Greek and Aramaic/Hebrew?
Do you even know the difference between a semitic and an Indo-European language?
Do you know any other language besides English?
your posts have before shown an utter lack of knowledge that there are such things as cases: Genitive, Locative, Nominative, Dative, Vocative, Instrumental and Accusative in a language
Do you know what these are for?
Neither do your posts reveal any knowledge on the bible, yet arguments based on hot air -- why?
But then you are calling the Apostle John a liar...Why should we believe John lied but you and your religion are telling the truth???
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John didn't lie...
I sure can...And there is no difference...I am the church...
No he didn't, but unless you are claiming that the entire Word, including the Word incarnate, can be completely contained within a book, or that John is claiming that his own writings contain all of the Word the passage clearly doesn't mean what you are implying.
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