Posted on 06/13/2011 3:57:07 PM PDT by HarleyD
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
Now Doc, expecting Scriptural precision from the Roman Catholics is akin to demanding good science from AlGore.
Maria ascended directly to Paradise upon her human death, and soon thereafter her body also was lifted to Heaven. She immediately joined the Holy Trinity and became Mother of the Church.
Now, enough of this Marian bashing. :^)
Catholics do not worship Mary, we honor her because she is the Mother of God. We pray to Mary to request a favor of her Son Jesus.
And where is it biblical that you should pray to anyone except God?
Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.
Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.
In English:
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen
Selah
Are you calling St. Paul a liar?
"Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church,"
- Col 1:24
"Praying to Mary is worship of her when we can go to God directly."
Do you also accuse St. Paul of rejecting the meadiatorship of Jesus? What about St. James or St. John? St. Paul on many occasions tells us to make intercessory prayers (Rom 15:30; 2 Cor 1:11; Eph 6:18-19; Col 4:3; 1 Thes 5:17,25; 2 Thes 3:1; Philemon 1:22; Heb 13:18-19), so does James (Jam 5:14,16) and John (1 Jn 5:16).
Paul himself was constantly praying intercessory prayers (2 Cor 13:7,9; Col 1:3,9; 2 Thes 1:11; 2 Tim 1:3), taking it upon himself to play this intercessory role. John did too (3 Jn 1:2).
Good point, I’ll have to pray, read and think on that one for awhile.
Another posting
of the UNBIBLICAL fantasized fables of the Vatican Cult.
The following Heavenly visitation is GREATLY MORE BIBLICAL (which isn’t hard to be given the givens of the Vatican Cult fantasies):
http://endtimerevelations.org/downloads/RaptureTrib-Canela.pdf
Visions of the Rapture, Tribulation, the Holy City, & the Thrones of GOD and satan.
The testimony of an 8 year old girl who encountered Jesus Christ.
(Jannet Balderas Canela)
. . .
It was so beautiful; the presence of the Lord could be felt there, such glory and majesty! The Lord said, Servant, come here because I will show you other things. We arrive at a place with many beautiful doors, so many beautiful doors. I said, Lord whats behind those doors? He said,
3 Behind these doors are My disciples, behind these doors are My apostles, behind these doors are all those who once walked over the Earth praising and glorifying My Name. -
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . MARY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
We began to ride again and arrive at a door that was half-opened, and the Lord said,
Servant come here, come here because behind this door is Mary. Get close and hear what she is saying, so you can go and tell My people, so you can tell the people how Mary is suffering.
I got closer and saw a young lady, such a beautiful young lady, so beautiful, her face was so pretty. She was looking through a very tiny window. She was kneeling down and looking to the face of the Earth, crying with tremendous pain.
She said, Why are you worshiping me? Why, if I do not have any power! Why are you worshiping me? I do not do anything! Do not worship me! Do not bow before me! For I cannot save you! The only one that can save, the only one that can redeem you is Jesus, who died for all mankind!
Many people say that I have power, that I can perform miracles, but that is a lie! I do not do anything! Almighty God was satisfied with me and He used my womb so that Jesus could be born and save everyone, but I dont have any power.
I cannot do anything! Do not bow before me! Do not worship me! For I am not worthy of worship. The only one that is worthy, the only one that you bow before and adore is Jesus! He is the only one that heals and saves!
I could see how that young lady was in such tremendous pain, full of anguish and crying. She said, No! No! Do not worship me! Why do you bow before me? I dont do anything!
You see dear brothers, it was a tremendous thing to look at this young lady, how she was crying with such pain and sadness.
I am accusing YOU of misinterpreting the bible. And Mary IS NOT Jesus, who is God.
DONKEY: (sniffs) Ohh! Shrek! Did you do that? You gotta warn somebody before you just crack one off. My mouth was open and everything.
SHREK: Believe me, Donkey, if it was me, you'd be dead. (sniffs) It's brimstone. We must be getting close.
DONKEY: Yeah, right, brimstone. Don't be talking about it's the brimstone. I know what I smell. It wasn't no brimstone. It didn't come off no stone neither.
Here's the title:
And it carries the official sanctions of:
nihil obstat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.
WITH RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHINGS IMPRIMATUR
Let me track down the brief portion of quotes upthread . . .
Here they are:
However, as we've seen through a variety of sources--a pile of them in Ferraro's manual about the Rosary--the Roman Catholic et al/Vatican Edifice disagrees with a lot of the claims of RC's hereon to the contrary.
p.32
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[Quixicated emphases below]
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .
p32
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.
5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.
6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.
"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor
p37
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! --Partial Indulgence
p41
"Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18
p43
1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!"
p45
6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'
.
[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance?]
p46
7 - "Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue."
.
[Qx: I guess Christ's conquering on The Cross and HIS conquering trip to hell were unncessary?]
9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'
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[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary? That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God!]
p47
4 - "Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.'
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[Qx: Evidently, she beat Christ to the job of vanquishing sin!]
5 - "She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought."
.
[QX: What an unnecessary waste of precious Blood and suffering on THE CROSS!!!/sar]
p47
10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."
p50
8 - "If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between HIm and us?"
p50
4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."
DONKEY: (sniffs) Ohh! Shrek! Did you do that? You gotta warn somebody before you just crack one off. My mouth was open and everything.
SHREK: Believe me, Donkey, if it was me, you'd be dead. (sniffs) It's brimstone. We must be getting close.
DONKEY: Yeah, right, brimstone. Don't be talking about it's the brimstone. I know what I smell. It wasn't no brimstone. It didn't come off no stone neither.
You hear from two brothers of Jesus every time you read the Bible the whole way through, FLC-atholic, assuming you've done so. The Book of James and the Book of Jude.
. . . which is a sizeable slap at Jesus
. . . implying that His excruciating sacrificial death
SO THAT
WE MIGHT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE FATHER
just isn’t good enough for RC’s . . .
who just HAVE to have mummy nag Him.
Ps. 69:8 is part of a Messianic prophecy, (Ps. 69:9; Jn. 2:17) and is one of many evidences against this unnecessary, if not salvific, teaching of the perpetual virginity of Mary, which requires a degree of special pleading if it is defended as being from Scripture, rather than oral Tradition. I think that Joseph showed the greater virtue is Mary remained a virgin, and while linguists can argue whether heos (till in Mt. 1:25) or "adelphos" ("brethren in Mt.12:42) warrants either side, and against the normal denotation, but among other things perpetual virginity in marriage is contrary to the description of marriage that Jesus affirmed, (Gn. 2:24; Mt. 19:5) for you have leave without cleave in becoming one flesh (which oneness spiritually is also intercourse: Jn. 17:23) as well as being contrary to the apostolic instructions regarding celibacy within marriage. (1Cor. 7:5)
In no place do we see anyone maintaining perpetual virginity in marriage, providing both were able, and Scripture says nothing about Mary being an exception, which is contrary to how exceptions in basic things are treated, and thus the virgin birth is clearly stated, as well as the sinless life of Christ. But autocracy allows men to teach for doctrines the extra-Biblical traditions of men.
If defending the Marian perpetual virginity (MPV) or any RC teaching, Catholics actually have much liberty to interpret the Bible to do so, however, beyond what is officially stated and using private interpretation, yet MPV is not a salvific issue, and so i do not see it needing more extended debate.
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