listen stooopid... the Church hears you, but the answer is still NO!!!
Posted on 06/13/2011 11:55:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Members of a liberal group of U.S. Roman Catholics on Sunday called on Church leaders to open talks with their members on controversies ranging from the ordination of women to allowing priests to marry.
Members of the American Catholic Council, meeting in Detroit, said they had grown concerned the church's hierarchy was not listening to its members on issues such as the role of women, married clergy and the treatment of homosexuals.
The meeting comes as the Roman Catholic Church in the United States is struggling with a sexual abuse crisis, loss of membership and a dwindling number of priests.
"When in God's name are the conversations going to begin?" asked Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun who addressed the meeting of about 2,000 people -- part of a liberal wing that represents a minority in the 1.2 billion-member Church.
She likened the structure, with bishops and archbishops answering to the pope in Rome, to "a medieval system that has now been abandoned by humanity everywhere, except by us."
Detroit Archbishop Allen Vigneron had warned before the meeting that any members of the clergy who attended the group's mass would risk being defrocked.
"All of the invited keynote speakers have manifested dissent from Catholic teachings or support for dissenters," the archdiocese said in a posting on its website.
Robert Wurm, a retired priest from Ferndale, Michigan, who officiated at the closing mass, said he was not worried the archbishop would take action against him.
"He was careful about that. He said they could be defrocked, not that they would," Wurm told reporters.
Under Church law, an archbishop has authority over all masses held in his area.
"It's disheartening that a Detroit priest would preside over a Sunday service with so many serious liturgical abuses," said Ned McGrath, spokesman for the archdiocese.
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Members of the American Catholic Council, meeting in Detroit, said they had grown concerned the church’s hierarchy was not listening to its members on issues such as the role of women, married clergy and the treatment of homosexuals.
ummm...GOOD!
Never! You know where the door is lady. use it.
We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires... — Pope Benedict XVI
If they don’t like it leave. This is so like a liberal they want to have everything their way. So find a church that fits their way of thinking and leave ours alone.
All religions and denominations have core beliefs. Individuals, even if they were “born into” the particular faith, can’t and shouldn’t expect to be able change them. They can always move on and form their own, join another that conforms more with what they believe, or reexamine those beliefs and get back in line. Hanging around and bitching about how a 2,000 year old institution as hierarchical as the RCC is childish. But then again, we are talking about Liberals, whose mascots are Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Peter Pan.
listen stooopid... the Church hears you, but the answer is still NO!!!
True enough, but what is dogmatic is that the church can set its own internal rules. A celibate priesthood for a number of reasons, some very practical, was what was chosen.
Why are there “liberal” Catholics? Why don’t they just go be one with the Unitards rather than ruin a Church that they disagree with?
I am NOT a Catholic and niether are these liberals.
Anglicanorum Coetibus Retrorsum (Calamitas).
A Personal Ordinariate in reverse, so that a liberal Catholic can become a liberal Episcopalian, since being a liberal is more important to them than being a Catholic.
Somewhat gentler than self-excommunication, but to much the same ends.
“Just stop calling yourself Catholic.”
I suspect you are right. The day a woman or Outed homosexual “priest comes to say Mass at my Church is the day I stop going. I am sure there will be underground Catholics who will stay with the way the Church is today, if there is not I will take my chances.
Marriage ?, I can accept that, Open Homosexuality Not only No ,but hell no. Women Priests ?. Nope no way.
The Nuns who want to be Priests should leave the Church and do what their conscience tells them to do somewhere else.
These groups continue to pop up and die off like mushrooms after a rain. They always want the same thing, more secularism in the church, and are usually funded behind the scenes by some leftist advocacy group.
“We have more in common with Orthodoxy than Rome, so calling us Catholic-lite simply won’t fit. Our key argument with Rome is the primacy of the Pope.”
Uh, no.
Let’s see.
Abortion - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican yes.
Contraception - Catholic no, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, yes.
Divorce - Catholic no, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, yes.
Remarriage - Catholic no, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, yes.
Female priests - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican, yes.
Female bishops - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican, yes.
Inclusive language - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican, yes.
Homosexual blessings - Catholic no, Orthodox, No, Anglican, Yes.
Deuterocanon - Catholic yes, Orthodox Yes, Anglican, no.
There are huge differences between the Catholic Church and the Anglican church. The difference between the CC and the Orthodox is less than that between the Anglicans and the Catholics. The only area you guys agree on is where you’re both wrong.
Lets throw Baptists into this.
Abortion - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Baptist no, Anglican yes.
Contraception - Catholic no, Orthodox, yes, Baptist, yes Anglican, yes.
Divorce - Catholic no, Baptist no, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, yes.
Remarriage - Catholic no, Baptist No, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, yes.
Female priests - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Baptist, no Anglican, yes.
Female bishops - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Baptist, no Anglican, yes.
Inclusive language - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Baptist, no Anglican, yes.
Homosexual blessings - Catholic no, Orthodox, No, Baptist, no, Anglican, Yes.
Deuterocanon - Catholic yes, Orthodox Yes, Baptist, no Anglican, no.
Believer’s baptism - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican, no, Baptist, yes.
lay ordination - Catholic no, Orthodox, no, Anglican, No, Baptist, yes.
Confession - Catholic Yes, Orthodox, yes, Anglican, No, Baptist, No.
Real Presence - Catholic Yes, Orthodox, Yes, Anglican, No, Baptist, No.
I don’t believe there’s a single issue where the Anglicans are closer to the Catholics than the baptists, other than on ordination and on baptism. That’s it.
It was a really short one, Joanie - "No." Apparently you missed it.
“Liberal,” (Latin “liberalus doofus moralus zilchus”) is a short form of the ancient Roman phrase for “we don’t like any rules.”
You can’t get remarried after a divorce in the Baptist faith? They also don’t recognize divorce?
Freegards
The ones I attended (I am a former baptist), did not permit either.
‘If you marry, don’t divorce, if you divorce, don’t remarry’.
I can definately see good conservative Baptist groups barring no-fault divorce, but I thought they allowed it(and remarriage) for adultery and other grave sins? Maybe that is just some Baptists? What do the Southern Baptists do?
Freegards
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